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Old 01-15-2009, 07:29 PM
 
Location: 80904 West siiiiiide!
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Because its obvious.

Yeah, to anyone with a brain.

 
Old 01-15-2009, 07:46 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Self defense is a recognized common law right. The right to a firearm for self defense is not an "obvious right" it didn't exist consistently under English Law. Several contemporaneous state constitutions from the era had self defense as a articulated rationale for a right to a firearm, so the issue wasn't unknown to the founders.

Many of the people who claim a very wide interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, consider the same approach "judicial activism" in other areas. IMO Scalia read into the Constitution what he wanted it to say. I'm actually supportive of that, but it violates Scalia's expressed views of how the Constitution should be interpreted.


ok, how about this one, I do not believe in any gun control at all by any goverment at all because I believe that the 2nd mAmendment is there to keep the goverment from becoming tyrranical, and any law against firearms at all coming from the goverment is just saying that they do not believe in any citizens right to keep them from becoming tyrranical.

tyrrany is something that is always around. that is something the political elite should keep in their mind.
 
Old 01-16-2009, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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ok, how about this one, I do not believe in any gun control at all by any goverment at all because I believe that the 2nd mAmendment is there to keep the goverment from becoming tyrranical, and any law against firearms at all coming from the goverment is just saying that they do not believe in any citizens right to keep them from becoming tyrranical.

tyrrany is something that is always around. that is something the political elite should keep in their mind.
You need to live in some other country, or not act on your beliefs. Doing so here will get you incarcerated. Believing it as an Internet Tough Guy is OK though.
 
Old 01-16-2009, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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You need to live in some other country, or not act on your beliefs. Doing so here will get you incarcerated. Believing it as an Internet Tough Guy is OK though.

hm... you make no sense. For defending the Constitution, which is what our country was founded on, what rules how our government is structured, what rights we have, he should move out of the country?

As we have posted in another thread about guns, there is quite a list of countries in the last century that have overthrown their governments when they stopped acting in the best interest of the citizenry.
 
Old 01-16-2009, 11:12 AM
 
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As we have posted in another thread about guns, there is quite a list of countries in the last century that have overthrown their governments when they stopped acting in the best interest of the citizenry.
You guy are truly comical. Go for it.
 
Old 01-16-2009, 11:18 AM
 
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You guy are truly comical. Go for it.
what does your reply even mean? I made a statement.
 
Old 01-16-2009, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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what does your reply even mean? I made a statement.

RC is nothing more than a troll - probably 14 or 15 year old one at that
 
Old 01-16-2009, 11:22 AM
 
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You guy are truly comical. Go for it.
1903: The Ilinden Uprising of the Macedonians in the Ottoman Empire breaks out.
1905: The failed bourgeois-liberal revolution against Tsar Nicholas II in Russia.
1907: The Romanian Peasants' Revolt.
1908: The Young Turk Revolution: Young Turks force the autocratic ruler Abdul Hamid II to restore parliament and constitution in the Ottoman Empire. Public demonstration in the Sultanahmet district of Istanbul, during the Young Turk Revolution of 1908.
1910: The republican revolution in Portugal.
1915: The Armenian Revolt in city of Van against the Ottomans in Turkey resulted in the first genocide of 20th century, where a million and a half Armenians were sent on death marches.
1916: The Easter Rising in Dublin, Ireland during which the Irish Republic was proclaimed.
1916: The Central Asian Revolt started when the Russian Empire government ended its exemption of Muslims from military service.
1916–1918: The Arab Revolt with the aim of securing independence from the Ottoman Empire.
1916–1923: The Irish War of Independence, the period of nationalist rebellion, guerrilla warfare, political change and civil war which brought about the establishment of the independent nation, the Irish Free State.
1917: The French Army Mutinies.
1917: The February Revolution overthrows Tsar Nicholas II in Russia.
1917: The October Revolution in Russia: Bolshevik seizure of power in Russia and the establishment of the Soviet Union.
1918: The Finnish Civil War.
1918: The Christmas Uprising in Montenegro: Montenegrins (Zelenaši) rebelled against unification of Kingdom of Montenegro with Kingdom of Serbia.
1918: The German Revolution overthrows the Kaiser; establishment of the Weimar Republic.
1918–1919: The Greater Poland Uprising (1918-1919) Polish uprising against German authorities.
1918–1920: The Georgian-Ossetian conflict (1918-1920), the southern Ossetians revolted against Georgian rule.
1918–1921: The Ukrainian Revolution.
1918–1922: The Third Russian Revolution, a failed anarchist revolution against both Bolshevism and the White movement.
1918–1931: The Basmachi Revolt against Soviet Russia rule in Central Asia.
1919–1921: The Tambov Rebellion, one of the largest peasant rebellions against the Bolshevik regime during the Russian Civil War.
1919–1922: The Turkish War of Independence commanded by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.
1919: The German Revolution.
1919: A revolution in Hungary, resulting in the short-lived Hungarian Soviet Republic.
1920: The Pitchfork Uprising was a peasant uprising against the Soviet policy of the war communism in what is today Tatarstan.
1921: The Kronstadt rebellion of Soviet sailors against the government of the early Russian SFSR.
1921–1923: The Yakut Revolt.
1922–1923: The Irish Civil War, between supporters of the Anglo-Irish Treaty and the government of the Irish Free State and more radical members of the original Irish Republican Army who opposed the treaty and the new government.
1923: The founding of the Republic of Turkey by overthrow of the Ottoman Empire and introduction of Atatürk's Reforms.
1923: The Klaipėda Revolt in the Memel territory that had been detached from Germany after World War I.
1925–1927: The Syrian Revolution, a revolt initiated by the Druze and led by Sultan al-Atrash against French Mandate.
1926: The National Revolution in Portugal initiated a period known as the National Dictatorship.
1927–1931: The Kurdish Rebellion against Turkey.
1934: In October, workers including radical socialists and anarchists stage coups in the Spanish regions of Asturias and Catalonia. The immediate cause was the entrance of a right-wing Catholic party into the government of the unstable Second Spanish Republic. The Asturian uprising was put down by General Francisco Franco.
1936: Polish insurgent at a Warsaw Uprising barricade.
1936: General Francisco Franco led a coup and started the Spanish Civil War, leading to the Spanish Revolution.
1937–1938: The Dersim Rebellion was the most important Kurdish rebellion in modern Turkey.
1937: The "Jornadas de Mayo", a workers' revolution in Catalonia.
1940–1944: The Insurgency in Chechnya.
1941: The June Uprising against the Soviet Union in Lithuania.
1941–1945: Yugoslav People's Liberation War against the Axis Powers in World War II.
1942: The destruction of the German garrison in Lenin.
1943: The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.
1943: The uprising at Treblinka extermination camp.
1943: The uprising at Sobibór extermination camp.
1944: The Warsaw Uprising was an armed struggle during the Second World War by the Polish Home Army (Armia Krajowa) to liberate Warsaw from German occupation and Nazi rule. It started on August 1, 1944.
1944: The Paris Uprising staged by the French Resistance against the German Paris garrison.
1944: The Slovak National Uprising against Nazi Germany.
1944: The uprising at Auschwitz extermination camp.
1944–1947: A Communist-friendly government was installed in Bulgaria following a coup d'état and the Soviet invasion.
1944: Following the liberation of Albania, the Communist Party of Albania under Enver Hoxha consolidated its control and declared the People's Republic of Albania in January 1946.
1944–1949: The Greek Civil War.
1944–1965: The Forest Brothers Rebellion in Baltic states against Soviet Union.
1945: The Prague uprising against German occupation during World War II.
1947–1952: In the Albanian Subversion, the intelligence services of the United States and Britain deployed exiled fascists, Nazis, and monarchists in a failed attempt to foment a counterrevolution in Communist-ruled Albania.
1953: The Vorkuta uprising was a major uprising of the Gulag inmates in Vorkuta in the summer of 1953. Like other camp uprisings it was bloodily quelled by the Red Army and the NKVD.
1954: The Kengir uprising in the Soviet prison labor camp Kengir.
1955–1960: The Guerrilla war against British colonial rule of Cyprus led by the EOKA (National Organisation of Cypriot Fighters).
1956–1962: The Border Campaign led by the Irish Republican Army against the British, along the border of the independent Republic of Ireland and British Northern Ireland.
1956: The Hungarian Revolution, a failed workers' and peasants' revolution against the Soviet-supported communist state in Hungary.
1968: The May 1968 revolt: students' and workers' revolt against the government of Charles de Gaulle in France.
1968: A failed attempt by leader Alexander Dubček to liberalise Czechoslovakia in defiance of the Soviet-supported communist state culminates in the Prague Spring.
1969–1998: The Troubles: the Provisional Irish Republican Army and other Republican Paramilitaries waged an armed campaign against British Security forces and Loyalist Paramilitaries in an attempt to bring about a United Ireland.
1974: The Carnation Revolution overthrows of right-wing dictatorship in Portugal.
1983: Overthrow of the ruling Conseil de Salut du peuple (CSP) by Marxist forces led by Thomas Sankara in Upper Volta, renamed Burkina Faso in the following year.
1985: Soviet and Afghanistan P.O.W. rose against their captors at Badaber base.
1989: The Singing Revolution, bloodless overthrow of communist rule in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
1989: The bloodless Velvet Revolution overthrows the communist regime in Czechoslovakia.
1989: The Romanian Revolution violently overthrows the communist state in Romania.
1989: The Nagorno-Karabakh Armenian independence movement violently overthrows the Azeri government in Azerbaijan.
1990–1995: The Log Revolution in Croatia starts, triggering the Croatian War of Independence.
1992–1995: Bosnian War of Independence.
1994–1996: The First Chechen Rebellion against Russia.
1997–1999: The Kosovo Rebellion against Yugoslavia.
1999–present: The Second Chechen Rebellion against Russia.
2000: The bloodless Bulldozer Revolution, first of the four colour revolutions, overthrows Slobodan Milošević's régime in Yugoslavia.
2001: The 2001 Macedonia conflict.
2003: The Rose Revolution, second of the colour revolutions, displaces the president of Georgia, Eduard Shevardnadze, and calls new elections.
2004: After Viktor Yanukovych was declared the winner of a presidential election in the Ukraine, the Orange Revolution arose and installed Viktor Yushchenko as president, believing the election to have been fraudulent. This was the third colour revolution.



here, I will let you do your research on these revolutions and revolts. More than one of them were successful in replacing the government of said country. Or are you going to do your usual and ignore the evidence in front of your face and continue on with your head in the clouds comments?
 
Old 01-16-2009, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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what does your reply even mean? I made a statement.
And I say "saddle up", take your fight to the street, show me that you can do it. I'll bring the popcorn!
 
Old 01-16-2009, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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And I say "saddle up", take your fight to the street, show me that you can do it. I'll bring the popcorn!
all out of argument? It seems to be your tactic, when you have nothing else to attempt to discuss, you resort to little immature stunts like this. If you have nothing else to add to the discussion I ask you kindly to leave and let the rest of us continue the debate.
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