gun control (layoffs, retirement, rant, females)

[GregW]

I suggest that TrickyD investigate how many illegal firearms the Dutch citizenry have hidden in their barns and basements over the years. There were plenty of firearms left around after WW2 and I some how doubt the people as resourceful as the Dutch turned them in to anyone and that includes the government employees.

We could reduce gun related crime in the US by providing effective (and expensive) policing in the poverty striken areas that are infested with the dopos and the gangbangers. Don't go after the guns per se but crack down on the crime.

[swagger]

Originally Posted by GregW

I suggest that TrickyD investigate how many illegal firearms the Dutch citizenry have hidden in their barns and basements over the years. There were plenty of firearms left around after WW2 and I some how doubt the people as resourceful as the Dutch turned them in to anyone and that includes the government employees.

We could reduce gun related crime in the US by providing effective (and expensive) policing in the poverty striken areas that are infested with the dopos and the gangbangers. Don't go after the guns per se but crack down on the crime.

I think you said that we need only to enforce existing laws...

[Tin Knocker]

Thats assuming they really want to reduce crime. I dont think thats the case. The guys making the laws arent the ones getting victimized. If they were they would get guns. Crime would reduce itself if people simply took responsability for themselves & where they live. How many people walk by drug dealers & things silently only to **** & moan about crime. If you choose to live with it you made that choice.

Funny one Rifleman,
But TD, he aint a dog, he's a man & a man too stupid to know he's not free deserves to set out in the rain. Either he'll figure it out or he wont. Dont matter a bit to me, his people beter hope that we get over our slump pretty quick tho, if history's any indication Europe is overdue for its next zeolot & America will be needed again. I sure hope we remember things clearly when they come asking again.

[rifleman]

Originally Posted by Tricky D

Originally Posted by Greatday LoL that is not what you Direct Messaged me in private.
Aren't you the 1 who tried to intimidate me with 'warning' me that you would keep dogging me?
Just because I don't agree with you?

Originally Posted by riflemanGo whine to a mod if you are convinced of that.
You Riflegay, Tin Knocker and OhioUberAlles should gather around Greatday who is dogging me around like man's best friend and faithful companion.

FYI you all are off topic, not that it matters to me.

UUuuuuuuu! I think we may have hit a nerve here! Finally! And we were all on topic to boot....!

Should I report that "Rlflegay" comment? Nahhh. I'm too "sensitive"..... And nice. And I AM an animal lover, after all... Wooof!

I think I'll just have a shot of my very most favorite celebratory Bourbon, which, so far, ain't been outlawed by any We Know Best libs. BTW, Tin, don't you worry; I and a few thousand others will most assuredly advise our Prez about the feelings of Yankee-Hating Euros who openly despise our country before we EVER assist ANY of them EVER again. We'll see where that gets 'em, eh?

[monkeywrenching]

The question that I have of liberals and politicians is, if obama and hilary do outlaw certain types of firearms, how in the heck are you going to force millions of firearms owners to turn them in?

please oh please answer this question so I know when the next civil war starts.

[jeepejeep]

Originally Posted by monkeywrenching

The question that I have of liberals and politicians is, if obama and hilary do outlaw certain types of firearms, how in the heck are you going to force millions of firearms owners to turn them in?

please oh please answer this question so I know when the next civil war starts.

+1 on that!

[kellieann]

Let me get this right---I'm not a gun owner and never will be. I don't believe in guns. Guns are for killing. Why would anyone need a gun unless they where going to kill something? The human being does not need to eat other living beings-yes animals- to survive. It is a proven fact lots of vegans, vegetarians living in this world doing just fine very healthy most of them, so why are humans still killing animals? It is appalling to me that any human with any kind of empathy or conscious could kill a living feeling breathing animal especially when it is absolutely 100% unnecessary. And as for protection inside your home--who the heck is trying to kill you? Are you paranoid? I have lived 40 years and nobody has ever tried to brake into my house and kill me! If someone did on the rare occasion because I know it happens well it is just that a rare event and something that couldn't be prevented. I just don't see the risk of owning a gun when so many things could go wrong if gotten in the wrong hands or used for the wrong reasons. Just my 2 cents worth.

[monkeywrenching]

Originally Posted by kellieann

Let me get this right---I'm not a gun owner and never will be. I don't believe in guns. Guns are for killing. Why would anyone need a gun unless they where going to kill something? The human being does not need to eat other living beings-yes animals- to survive. It is a proven fact lots of vegans, vegetarians living in this world doing just fine very healthy most of them, so why are humans still killing animals? It is appalling to me that any human with any kind of empathy or conscious could kill a living feeling breathing animal especially when it is absolutely 100% unnecessary. And as for protection inside your home--who the heck is trying to kill you? Are you paranoid? I have lived 40 years and nobody has ever tried to brake into my house and kill me! If someone did on the rare occasion because I know it happens well it is just that a rare event and something that couldn't be prevented. I just don't see the risk of owning a gun when so many things could go wrong if gotten in the wrong hands or used for the wrong reasons. Just my 2 cents worth.

when you are starving, and all a vegan has available to eat is meat, what are they going to do?

eat meat or starve?

yes firearms can kill, but they can also protect, keep tyranny from goverment and a whole lot more.

personally I prefer to keep goverment from tyranny than anything else, but that is just me.

[swagger]

Originally Posted by kellieann

Guns are for killing.

Among other things.

Why would anyone need a gun unless they where going to kill something?

Why would you need the right to a speedy trial? If you're not going to commit any crime, you have nothing to worry about, right? Let's just repeal the 6th Amendment.

The human being does not need to eat other living beings-yes animals- to survive. It is a proven fact lots of vegans, vegetarians living in this world doing just fine very healthy most of them, so why are humans still killing animals? It is appalling to me that any human with any kind of empathy or conscious could kill a living feeling breathing animal especially when it is absolutely 100% unnecessary.

Interesting, despite the fact that it has nothing whatsoever to do with gun control...

And as for protection inside your home--who the heck is trying to kill you?

Nobody, as far as I know. Doesn't mean that someone won't try.

Are you paranoid?

Nope.

I have lived 40 years and nobody has ever tried to brake into my house and kill me!

I'm a couple years younger than you and I've had my residence burglarized once and my cars burglarized numerous times - the most recent incident was only two weeks ago.

If someone did on the rare occasion because I know it happens well it is just that a rare event and something that couldn't be prevented.

You're willing to give up your life simply because a deadly confrontation is statistically unlikely to happen to you? I sure am glad that nobody I love depends on you to provide for them.

I just don't see the risk of owning a gun when so many things could go wrong if gotten in the wrong hands or used for the wrong reasons.

What risk? IIRC, roughly half the households in America have a firearm in them. If there was that much risk, shouldn't 1/4 of the population or so be dead by now? Where's the mass carnage on every block? Where's the river of blood?

I hate to break it to you, but you've taken the anti-gun propaganda bait - hook, line and sinker. I'm fine with your choice to not own a gun. If you're not comfortable having one around and not interested in confronting that irrational fear, that's your decision completely and I support you in that choice. It's not appropriate for you to criticize others for choosing otherwise, however, particularly when their decision is protected by the Constitution of the United States of America.

How would you feel if some of our "representatives" (a joke in this day and age) determined that jury trials were costing too much money and needed to be curtailed or even abolished? Would you simply hop on that bandwagon, too, or would you think they were overstepping their authority and raise a ruckus?

[Gunluvver2]

I would like to suggest an experiment for everyone on this board. If you are a gun owner and believe in the " Right To Keep and Bear Arms" put a sign in your front yard saying something like " We believe in an armed citizenry". Those of you that hate guns or want gun control laws passed could put up a sign in front of your house saying "WE HATE GUNS".

I don't think there will be many people putting up the "WE HATE GUNS signs. Why do I say that? Because deep down, on a subconscious level, the anti-gunners know that CRIMINALS prey on the weak. When criminals look for victims they do not go for the obviously strong or people who can or are willing to resist. No, instead they look for the weakest. Even if you yourself do not believe in owning guns, you have a certain level of protection from violent offenders because they do not know you are not capable of protecting yourself.

GL2