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Old 09-18-2008, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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It is not the government's responsibility to clothe or feed you. Nor, to provide you with an income.
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Old 09-18-2008, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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"It is not the government's responsibility to clothe or feed you. Nor, to provide you with an income."

I wish the almighty libertarians were around during the Great Depression. One thing that was learned from that calamity that is still practiced today, is that when things start to go bad, make sure there are procedures, programs, and policies in place that prevent the trend from going TOO BADLY such that a huge percentage of the public is thrown out of work, out of their homes, out of their banks, etc. It's what is called the "multiplier effect" in economics.

Libertarians also don't have a clue as to how AFFLUENT this nation is. But unfortunately, they seem to think that CHARITABLE GIVING is sufficient to clothe and feed the needy all across the country. In spite of the facts to the contrary.

It's good policy to place a floor under which US citizens will not be allowed to fall. Kinda like offering universal health care. Health care for profit was always a dubious proposition in the first place. Look at the crap system we have today, with its VERY HIGH COSTS and coverage tied to EMPLOYER CHOICE.

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Old 09-18-2008, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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It is not the government's responsibility to clothe or feed you. Nor, to provide you with an income.
No one on this thread said that it was That's not what the topic is about.
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Old 09-18-2008, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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MikeJaquish wrote:
"The conceit to presume that one's wealth is fair game because someone has determined one doesn't need it so much plays well with the envy crowd. "Marginal Utility" sounds very clinically cool, although in practice it obviously is a very great evil perpetrated on the public."


You do understand that by living in the United States, you are living in a representative democracy. The majority rules, and there is a rule of law. If you don't like the laws, you should work to have them changed.

Hopefully, you also believe that there is a legitimate use for taxation, even in an affluent democracy such as the United States of America. Differential rates of taxation is not the same thing as "redistribution of wealth" or such claptrap. Taxes are drawn against INCOME, not WEALTH. Passive income is understandably taxed historically at a higher rate than other income because its source is capital that, traditionally understood, is not being employed in a manner to produce expansion of the economy.
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Old 09-18-2008, 04:47 PM
 
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You mean constitutional federal republic?



And where are some facts to support "passive" income not supporting or supplying anything to the country? That seems kinda far fetched since it would probably be businesses that were passed from generation to generation with occasional large sums of money being inherited.
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Old 09-18-2008, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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No, that's not what I meant. I intentionally used a more generic, yet still accurate, term.
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Old 09-18-2008, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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To the person who thinks that a 50% tax rate is "immoral," please check out the history of the top Federal income tax bracket in the United States during the 20th century.

http://truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php
http://truthandpolitics.org/top-rates-graph.php

(You might not want to look!)
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Old 09-18-2008, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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"It is not the government's responsibility to clothe or feed you. Nor, to provide you with an income."

I wish the almighty libertarians were around during the Great Depression.
Many LOCAL, non governmental charties stepped up to the plate then, and now -

Private charties - religious organizations - private citizens

That is where the help should come from - not the government
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Old 09-18-2008, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Private charties - religious organizations - private citizens

That is where the help should come from - not the government

The circumstances of the Great Depression torpedoed that political philosophy. Have you heard of it?
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Old 09-18-2008, 05:08 PM
 
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To the person who thinks that a 50% tax rate is "immoral," please check out the history of the top Federal income tax bracket in the United States during the 20th century.

Top US Marginal Income Tax Rates, 1913--2003 (TruthAndPolitics.org)
http://truthandpolitics.org/top-rates-graph.php

(You might not want to look!)

Now compare those numbers with:





then the obvious problem of the US spending money like drunken sailor fresh out of medical school comes to light.
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