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Old 09-23-2008, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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They also give somebody else's money to you. Might as well address the entire picture. We all pay, and we all benefit. Taxes are merely your share of the tab for ALL of the things that government does on our behalf. If you don't like some of the things that the government does on our behalf or would like to see some new things added to the list, speak with your elected representatives. It is they who make those decisions. Either way, whining about your share of the bill for them is just that...whining.
I recieve no benefits from Welfare, Social Security, SSI, Medicare or Medicaid.

Why should I contribute to them then?
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Old 09-23-2008, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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I recieve no benefits from Welfare, Social Security, SSI, Medicare or Medicaid.

Why should I contribute to them then?

You also pay for car insurance you may never use. You also pay for police officers you may never need to use.. in some parts of the country you pay for a fire department you may personally never need .. Taxes go to pave roads you personally may never drive on.. etc.

The programs mentioned are needed ..you may never need them.. but maybe someday, should you fall on hard times. you may need them. Those that do need them do not have the means to pay for them... but the fact that they are there keeps this country from having people slumming on the street, the elderly dying of starvation or lack of medical care..etc.

So while you may not use it per say.. we all do benefit from it in some way.
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Old 09-23-2008, 09:41 AM
 
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I don't think anyone disagrees with how efficiently they can gather money....it's everything after that point that begins to be disturbing...

Yes I pay taxes for roads to be made and kept up.....Why is it always 10 guys standing around a hole while one guy is digging? (obviously an example)

It's like being in business and investing money back into it. You don't really want to waste your time on inefficient choices but when the government garnishes it....you have no choice.
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Old 09-23-2008, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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I don't think anyone disagrees with how efficiently they can gather money....it's everything after that point that begins to be disturbing...

Yes I pay taxes for roads to be made and kept up.....Why is it always 10 guys standing around a hole while one guy is digging? (obviously an example)

It's like being in business and investing money back into it. You don't really want to waste your time on inefficient choices but when the government garnishes it....you have no choice.

i certainly can agree that government needs to be more efficient..
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Interstate Highways: Federal

National Defense: Federal

Welfare: State

Schools: State

Etc

In other words - if there are to be income taxes (or any tax) - the majority should be on a state and local level - not Federal.

Let local people decide what is important to THEM -

The way it should be
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Old 09-23-2008, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I recieve no benefits from Welfare, Social Security, SSI, Medicare or Medicaid.

Why should I contribute to them then?

Answer: Because it's the law. Maybe you prefer to follow only those laws that you personally approve of? Are you civil disobedient? Are you a selective law-abider? Do you run a red light anytime you feel like it? Selective adherence to the law would be antisocial, potentially criminal, and extremely self-centered on your part.
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Old 09-23-2008, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Answer: Because it's the law.
I follow the law - and the law allowed me to NOT pay into several of those areas -
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Old 09-23-2008, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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I recieve no benefits from Welfare, Social Security, SSI, Medicare or Medicaid.

Why should I contribute to them then?
You've told us many times that you don't contribute to these things. Changing your story? Internet Poser?

To answer your question, it's called a tax and if you live here, you have to pay it. Like eating in a restaurant with a fixed price menu. You pay the tab, or eat elsewhere.
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Old 09-23-2008, 02:44 PM
 
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Answer: Because it's the law. Maybe you prefer to follow only those laws that you personally approve of? Are you civil disobedient? Are you a selective law-abider? Do you run a red light anytime you feel like it? Selective adherence to the law would be antisocial, potentially criminal, and extremely self-centered on your part.
I think you've hit on one aspect of the problem, here. Some of these Rugged Individualist® types are so into themselves and their self-proclaimed Liberty® as to have become downright anti-social. Most of them do somehow grudgingly manage to accomodate themselves to the many benefits that society provides. It's the paying-for-it-all that somehow seems to stand as the more intractable part of problem for them...
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Old 09-23-2008, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Children especially LOVE being raised by antisocial parents. Really does wonders for their self-image and social skills.
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