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Old 09-28-2008, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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LoL our rich already pay the most taxes,
Same in the United States
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Old 09-28-2008, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Same principle. To a wealthy person, getting say three speeding tickets per year at $200 a pop is no different from offering a permit to perpertually ignore and disobey all speed laws that comes with a $600 annual renewal fee. This is chump change to them. The impact of the fines is considerably less than that of the personal inconvenience involved in being pulled over for five minutes each time while the officer writes the ticket. If you want to "incentivize" or otherwise get the attention of a wealthy person, you have to start talking about some serious dollars...
To look at it a different way, suppose people were forced to spend time wearing an orange suit and picking up trash from the side of the freeway to "pay" for the ticket? But then I guess you'd have to start making exemptions among the few elderly who do get tickets, or those who can't otherwise get around except in a wheelchair. Those few probably don't get that many tickets in the first place, but there may be other things they can do.

I think this might get everybody's attention. Plus, it could conceivably bring down the terrible cost in lives, ruined health, and lost property.
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Old 09-28-2008, 09:00 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by Greatday
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Same in the United States
But unlike the Netherlands your poor don't get proper healthcare, that is if they even get healthcare.
Your healthcare system is set up like most corporations where profit is the aim of the game while the Dutch healthcare system is more run like a NGO or a non-profit organisation.
The fundamental difference between the American healthcare system and the Dutch healthcare system is that the American is specialised in giving their rich clients the best healthcare money can buy while the Dutch healthcare system is more about being able to help every Dutch citizen who needs healthcare and not only those who can afford it.

Maybe our Dutch millionaires b*tch about the amount of taxes they have to pay, but they realise that it is necessary in order to be sympathetic with the poor.
The Dutch rich accept that they have to pay high taxes to declare solidarity with the poor and the helpless.
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Old 09-28-2008, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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But unlike the Netherlands your poor don't get proper healthcare, that is if they even get healthcare.
No one in the United States is denied quality healthcare. No one.
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Old 09-28-2008, 09:08 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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No one in the United States is denied quality healthcare. No one.
Right, so everyone in the US gets the healthcare he needs?
If so why this great discussion about reforming the American healthcare system?
Why fix something if it ain't broke?
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Old 09-28-2008, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Right, so everyone in the US gets the healthcare he needs?
Yes

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If so why this great discussion about reforming the American healthcare system?
The discussion is not about the healthcare system.

Its about the health insurance system.

There is a difference
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Old 09-28-2008, 09:23 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by Greatday
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There is a difference
No, the difference is that the rich have the money and the poor don't.
Why else would the American rich b*tch about healthcare unless it concerns (their) money.
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Old 09-28-2008, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Why else would the American rich b*tch about healthcare unless it concerns (their) money.
Americans (some) complain about health INSURANCE -
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Old 09-28-2008, 09:33 PM
 
Location: southern california
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no more than 10 trillion dumped on the middle class. or CEO sinking the boat and getting paid 100 million golden parachute. nobody said it would be easy breezy. cowboy up marie antoinette.
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Old 09-28-2008, 09:35 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by Greatday
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Americans (some) complain about health INSURANCE -
Then why is the question Is it fair that the top 5-10% pay the majority of the taxes?
Unless the politicians are thinking about funding the reformed healthcare system with federal tax money?
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