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Old 09-29-2008, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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If you have nothing, they'll treat you and keep you comfortable.. but you won't get the latest and best treatment so that you can live.
TM - I will let the people at the Mayo Clinic, and the Arizona Heart institute know that they are not giving the "latest and best treatments" to their patients who are indigent.

LOLOLOL

Your knowledge is lacking it seems in this area TM
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Old 09-29-2008, 11:03 AM
 
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And which one is going broke?
I haven't looked that deeply into Galveston, but would suspect that a regime that simply purchases annuity contracts would have a hard time going broke.

I have looked in some considerable detail into Social Security, and it is definitely not going broke, but if you would like to discuss that aspect of things, I would suggest moving it to a conveniently located, nearby SS thread...
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Old 09-29-2008, 11:17 AM
 
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TM - I will let the people at the Mayo Clinic, and the Arizona Heart institute know that they are not giving the "latest and best treatments" to their patients who are indigent.
Another argument from the outliers? Let's take Mayo and AHI as setting the standard and see what percentage of the indigent overall receives care that is up to that standard. Any that fall short we can simply pack up and ship off to Rochester and Phoenix and see how that works out...
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Old 09-29-2008, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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TM - I will let the people at the Mayo Clinic, and the Arizona Heart institute know that they are not giving the "latest and best treatments" to their patients who are indigent.

LOLOLOL

Your knowledge is lacking it seems in this area TM
Wow...you are sorely out of touch.. that's 2 institutions in all of the U.S that you can cite?

The following is taken from NCHC | Facts About Healthcare - Health Insurance Coverage (http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml - broken link)

The uninsured are increasingly paying “up front” -- before services will be rendered. When they are unable to pay the full medical bill in cash at the time of service, they can be turned away except in life-threatening circumstances.7
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Old 09-29-2008, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Wow...you are sorely out of touch.. that's 2 institutions in all of the U.S that you can cite?
Oh, heck no - I can cite a whole bunch more.

As for being out of touch - it is not me. For I know MANY examples of indigent patients getting the highest quality of healthcare at MANY different wonderful facilities - where there was no expectation of payment(s) from those facilities.
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Old 09-29-2008, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Oh, heck no - I can cite a whole bunch more.

As for being out of touch - it is not me. For I know MANY examples of indigent patients getting the highest quality of healthcare at MANY different wonderful facilities - where there was no expectation of payment(s) from those facilities.

Rather than just say it, because saying it doesn't make it so.. please prove it.


Here's one persons story..

Turned Down For Medical Help Because Don't Have Insurance | Guaranteed Healthcare

And here's many more stories about denied healthcare
Guaranteed Healthcare | We Don't Need Insurance, We Need
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Old 09-29-2008, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Even the Mayo Clinic expects payment. And very few people get in.
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Old 09-29-2008, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Even the Mayo Clinic expects payment. And very few people get in.
My EXPERIENCE with the Mayo Clinic (Arizona) is they help those in need. Those who have insurance - those that do not. Those who can pay, and those that cannot.

I know for a FACT that they treat indigent patients (Arizona) every day. And the same is true with many of the finest Hospitals and Clinics in the country here in Arizona.
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Old 09-29-2008, 08:24 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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My EXPERIENCE with the Mayo Clinic (Arizona) is they help those in need.
It seems that people who are in denial are the root of the problem, because they are unable to learn from their mistakes.
Simply because they deny having made mistakes and this prevents them from learning through experience.

But let's approach the problem through logic; if everyone got the healthcare they needed even the poor who can't afford it then what is the problem?
Why b*tch about healthcare or healthcare insurance?
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Old 10-12-2008, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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not any more fair than indian tribes in california paying triple taxes. but governments are hungry. their tax base is gone. that is why you see cops writing so many tickets but not chasing bad guys, revenue.
Are cops writing more tickets to help the top 5-10% pay less taxes?
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