Prostitution! How bad is it really? (generation, abuse, state, doctor)

[leangk]

Originally Posted by SuSuSushi

I don't agree. I think there is nothing wrong with legalized and regulated prostitution. You are looking at the whole thing from an emotional standpoint rather than as a business transaction, and that's why you have a problem with it. You are assuming that every woman is going to react like the amorphous, nameless poor women that you say you've witnessed being "devastated" by sex. Sweeping generalizations are usually incorrect, and this is no different. If you're so concerned about the whole matter, why aren't you also talking about how the men using the prostitutes are going to be "devastated" and demoralized by it, hmmm?? Or is that just your double standard showing its masculine head?

P.S. Please run your posts through a spell checker. It's difficult enough to wade through them as they are.

i dont have time to spell check my posts. anyways the whole point is that i am looking at it through a "mental damage" standpoint as well. did i say 'every women" and did i use 'devestating" as a term that is shown easily
by a certain outward facial expression? no. have i constantly reffered to it as mental issues and self- respect issues. yes. are these things measurable. hell no.

Do every vicitm of sexual abuse reaction 'devistatingly'? NO. Does every victim of dimestic abuse react "devistatingly" NO. so how can you expect every one of these prostitutes to do the same.

maybe im wrong but i have the impression that you think the damage done can be seen under a microscope. i can almost imagine a doctor doing a routine check-up, looking at the womens tongue, tapping her knee with his little hammer and say "oh perfectly healthy to me" the problem is no large study has been done on these women. so i can and you can only base our "damage assesment" on what we know of the harmful effects of objectifying yourself in that way. the things, i have listed constantly, body image problems, self-respect issues, insecurity ect.. we know that these do effect a large number (although not all as i mentioned in this post already). the fact that you continue to refer to this as a "business transaction" does not in any way take away from the gravity of what it does to women.

in the same way that the nazis told everyone the jews were being "ressettled in the east"

see the connection? both use euphamism (resettled/business transactions) and both statements are true (it was true they were being resettled and it is true, in the literal sense, that prostitution is a business transaction). but that still doesnt change what actually happened 'underneath it all".

and nobody can deny that here

(sorry for all the nazi comparisons. im kinda a ww2 buff and plus most people can easily understand these comparisons because of most peoples general knowledge of ww2)

[Haaziq]

Originally Posted by leangk

i dont have time to spell check my posts. anyways the whole point is that i am looking at it through a "mental damage" standpoint as well. did i say 'every women" and did i use 'devestating" as a term that is shown easily
by a certain outward facial expression? no. have i constantly reffered to it as mental issues and self- respect issues. yes. are these things measurable. hell no.

Do every vicitm of sexual abuse reaction 'devistatingly'? NO. Does every victim of dimestic abuse react "devistatingly" NO. so how can you expect every one of these prostitutes to do the same.

maybe im wrong but i have the impression that you think the damage done can be seen under a microscope. i can almost imagine a doctor doing a routine check-up, looking at the womens tongue, tapping her knee with his little hammer and say "oh perfectly healthy to me" the problem is no large study has been done on these women. so i can and you can only base our "damage assesment" on what we know of the harmful effects of objectifying yourself in that way. the things, i have listed constantly, body image problems, self-respect issues, insecurity ect.. we know that these do effect a large number (although not all as i mentioned in this post already). the fact that you continue to refer to this as a "business transaction" does not in any way take away from the gravity of what it does to women.

in the same way that the nazis told everyone the jews were being "ressettled in the east"

see the connection? both use euphamism (resettled/business transactions) and both statements are true (it was true they were being resettled and it is true, in the literal sense, that prostitution is a business transaction). but that still doesnt change what actually happened 'underneath it all".

and nobody can deny that here

(sorry for all the nazi comparisons. im kinda a ww2 buff and plus most people can easily understand these comparisons because of most peoples general knowledge of ww2)

I'd like to think that since I live in America, I know more about American prostitutes (legal and illegal) than you.

Your assumptions are flat out wrong, period. I literally laugh every time somebody suggests that people become prostitutes because of mental disorders or lack of self respect. It's equally ridiculous when people claim that these same alleged disorders can spring up in people who become prostitutes. You don't know what you're talking about, point blank.

[leangk]

Originally Posted by Haaziq

I'd like to think that since I live in America, I know more about American prostitutes (legal and illegal) than you.

Your assumptions are flat out wrong, period. I literally laugh every time somebody suggests that people become prostitutes because of mental disorders or lack of self respect. It's equally ridiculous when people claim that these same alleged disorders can spring up in people who become prostitutes. You don't know what you're talking about, point blank.

my assumptions are wrong? considering its a well accepted fact that many women who become porn starts suffered sexual abuse as a child and also in turn suffer from a number of the mental problems i have listed and talked about here?

and in turn you then believe that this only applies then to porn stars, and not prostitutes.that only a women who has suffered that sort of abuse can become a porn star and not a prostitute. and by continuing this life (furthering thier terrible conditions) it goes away or becomes non existant?

your the one whos wrong. period. and i dont think anyone here will disagree with me (on the porn star example)

you come here like a pompious ******* but obviously have no clue what you are talking about. its you whos actually a joke.

most people here have agreed that this can have some damaging effects (although not always and to different degrees). pyscologists agree too. but you obviously know better then them...

and is your assumption that you being american and therefore knowing more about american prostitutes kinda like your assumption that all german people automatically know more about world war 2 than me or other people who have studied it further??

[Haaziq]

Originally Posted by leangk

my assumptions are wrong? considering its a well accepted fact that many women who become porn starts suffered sexual abuse as a child and also in turn suffer from a number of the mental problems i have listed and talked about here?

and in turn you then believe that this only applies then to porn stars, and not prostitutes.that only a women who has suffered that sort of abuse can become a porn star and not a prostitute. and by continuing this life (furthering thier terrible conditions) it goes away or becomes non existant?

your the one whos wrong. period. and i dont think anyone here will disagree with me (on the porn star example)

you come here like a pompious ******* but obviously have no clue what you are talking about. its you whos actually a joke.

most people here have agreed that this can have some damaging effects (although not always and to different degrees). pyscologists agree too. but you obviously know better then them...

and is your assumption that you being american and therefore knowing more about american prostitutes kinda like your assumption that all german people automatically know more about world war 2 than me or other people who have studied it further??

You're the one taking it so seriously.

I'd like to see you provide proof to back up your claims. Until then, you're just ranting without actually saying anything of importance.

And I didn't mention porn stars because they are basically the same as prostitutes. They just are on-screen and get paid more money. It's still the same thing. Sex for money.

Back up your claims. Don't worry, I'll wait.

[leangk]

Statistics, Prevalence and Consequences of Child Sexual Abuse

and there you go haazip. game over. the final bell just rung.

in a nut shell, this site (with many references), lists the various statics on a number of things i mentioned.

the middle part has a number os statements. from he fact that people sexually abused as children are more likely to despressive disorders, eating disorders and a number of other pyscological disorders.

the two most important stats however were

"More than 75% of teenage prostitutes have been sexually abused.

and "Over 75% of serial rapists report they were sexually abused as youngsters."

anyways enough said haaziq, ill keep looking for more stats.

how you can even deny that sexual abuse leads to a disconnected mental state, especially to sex, is beyond me. sexual assault victims (and i know afew of them) often take one of two paths. 1 of them is afraid of any sort of intimate/physical contact. the other two, are in a nice way of putting it "sexually adventurous". my other friend went out with "J" and after the first week of refusing sex he was dumped. my other friend slept with her at a party unprotected (hes a dumbass). and "j" and "s" are known throughout the school for "sleeping with everybody". something not far from the truth.

the fact is it only makes logical sense for these women to go into porn (who have been sexually abused). as i said, what happens to them makes them seperate sex and emotions. the two are no longer connected. that makes it extremely easier for them to sleep with random people.

heres another i found. i dont feel i have to explain myself. the numbers speak for themselves

http://powerhouse-ministry.org/annie...stitution.aspx

[Frank_Carbonni]

It should be legal and I cannot see a reason why it shouldn't be.

Prostitutes are often forced into the business by pimps and it is a form of slavery.

That is true. In many cases the women are forced to do it, but that is more of an argument for legalization than keeping it illegal. The pimps are able to force vulnerable women into prostitution because there is absolutely no oversight and no regulation (other than it being completely illegal) of prostitution. I'm no fan of regulation, but not to the point where slavery is the norm.

If prostitution was legal it would be seen as a valid career choice.

Firstly, it's their body.

Secondly, making it legal will not completely change perceptions or individual morality. Do most women who are not already inclined for that line of work view porn star or stripper as an excellent career choice? No. Why would it be different for prostitution?

[Greatday]

I think just about everyone will agree, it is IMPOSSIBLE to stop Prostitution. It has been around for 100's of years, and will continue to be around for 100's of years more.

We can "argue" about the types of woman who get into the "profession" but, that is a "non issue" IMO. What is important though, is to try to make the profession safer for all concerned.

I say legalize the profession - make the working girls get weekly checkups as is done in Nevada.

Make them pay taxes on their income.

Regulate it.

If someone wants to work with the girls and guys to try to convince them to get out of the profession - fine. Go for it.

It's the best that we can do.

[leangk]

Originally Posted by Greatday

I think just about everyone will agree, it is IMPOSSIBLE to stop Prostitution. It has been around for 100's of years, and will continue to be around for 100's of years more.

We can "argue" about the types of woman who get into the "profession" but, that is a "non issue" IMO. What is important though, is to try to make the profession safer for all concerned.

I say legalize the profession - make the working girls get weekly checkups as is done in Nevada.

Make them pay taxes on their income.

Regulate it.

If someone wants to work with the girls and guys to try to convince them to get out of the profession - fine. Go for it.

It's the best that we can do.

it is true that prostitution is the oldest recorded job in history!!

however the arguement "it has always been around and always will be" is faulty logic that can be applied to many things to justify its continuation.

alchohol abuse, rape, crime, drug abuse ect has been around for a long long time and 'will continue to be around". unfortunately as i said this doesnt justify allowing it, not oppossing it or trying to limit it.

Like i already said there are a number of things that contribute to its increase, poverty, sexual abuse and legalization are just afew. by lowering poverty, we can greatly decrease it. by getting harsh on sexual abusers (killing them is my preffered choice) and offering counciling to those who have experienced is another way to DECREASE it. keeping it illegal 9although prison may not be a suitable punishment) is another way to make sure it doesnt increase

Note how I say decrease. because similarily to violent crimes, drug abuse ect, the numbers can be greatly decreased, but never 'compeltely ended". Is this not the justification we use to fight crime? we want people to be and feel safer, and by doing this we decrease it, because stomping it out completly as you said is impossible.

i strongly believe that the 'types of women" that do this has greatly to do with the "issue". we've agreed (or at least i hope we've agreed based on the stats", that the largest percent is the "sexually abused" group. by allowing it and supporting it (legalizing it), we further thier problems. And i dont know about other people but I have a strong sense of societies responsibility to help these people.

yet again the 'safe arguement". its this sort of thing that has justified "safe shootup clinics" (places where junkies get free needles and can shoot up". but this has only furthered the problem. instead of trying to find an extremely possible and better solution (some ive mentioned before and above), some people like you greatday, have suggested a "bandaid solution" that never really gets to the core of the problem and continues to further its growth. like a weed in a garden, you can't just "keep moving it farther away from the other flowers". you have to "pull it at the roots". of course weeds will always grow back, but this "pulling at the roots" will help ensure the number stays low.

(anybody like my garden analogy as much as I did? i thought so...)

[cablejockey]

Good points leangk. you certainly do make one look at this from different angles than most do. I agree with you.

[Raggy dee Ann]

Originally Posted by kaykay

Not surprisingly, I do agree with j760! All of our laws are based on some type of moral judgment about right and wrong. When I was young (many, many moons ago) I thought that most so-called "victimless" crimes should be legalized. I no longer think this. Many such crimes do weaken the moral fabric of our society in the long-term, even when we may see no short-term consequences. You don't necessarily have to believe in God to believe that sex is not something that should be bought and paid for. Yes, that is a moral judgment, but again, our entire legal system is ultimately based on our collective moral judgments.

I have to shrug when I hear people talk about moral fabric of society. The same people who profess and try to enforce it are the same ones who can't resist falling short of their own standards.

Charity begins at home.