Prostitution! How bad is it really? (health care system, death, states, laws)

[TKramar]

Originally Posted by cap1717

If you "have to" buy a diamond ring, she is not marrying you for love! One would hope that you would want to give her a token of your love, and one that is meaningful to her. . . . it might be a diamond ring, it might not!

The woman I married didn't get a ring, neither did I. We got a piece of paper from the courthouse. No honeymoon...just went from "living together" to "married" one day. Not a big change...not in my opinion anyhow.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by TKramar

The woman I married didn't get a ring, neither did I. We got a piece of paper from the courthouse. No honeymoon...just went from "living together" to "married" one day. Not a big change...not in my opinion anyhow.

You are such a romantic!!!

[sterlinggirl]

Originally Posted by Bideshi

It is hard for women in most parts of the world. A person has to make a living. I am against prostitution, burglary, pickpockets, and other forms of petty crime but people have to feed themselves.

Prostitution is the only honest occupation in your list.


I respect an honest prostitute more than:
*a doctor who overprescribes expensive medicines because he knows he'll be rewarded with a free vacation by the drug reps
*OJ's legal team
*a mortgage broker who lends you money he knows you can't afford.
*real estate agents
*anybody at a car dealership
*CEOs
*Funeral Directors

[leangk]

Originally Posted by sterlinggirl

Prostitution is the only honest occupation in your list.


I respect an honest prostitute more than:
*a doctor who overprescribes expensive medicines because he knows he'll be rewarded with a free vacation by the drug reps
*OJ's legal team
*a mortgage broker who lends you money he knows you can't afford.
*real estate agents
*anybody at a car dealership
*CEOs
*Funeral Directors

1) how is the doctor whos just trying to make "alittle bit more money" any different form the women who chooses not to work in macdonalds but instead sell herself and her dignity for "alittle bit more money"?

2)OJ's legal team? how about anyone who defends who you deam are a "guilty person"? im not saying the judgment was good or bad, but somebody has to defend the guilty and innocent, well innocent until prven guilty. what about lawyers who defend pedophiles? rapists? i dont knwo how they do that but that is alot worse than 1 murder? why? because most rapists and child pedophiles make it their career, its never a "one time thing"

3) real esate agent? why because they try and sell a house? its clear a person by themselves couldnt do as good a job or negotiate as well with another person, so an intermediary needs to step in..

4) car dealership? i personally could never be a "sales person" that sort of desperation and reliance on another person for my livelihood is just.. depressing.. but thats just me. i knwo tis a wierd opinion btu whatever. anyone who works in that sort of job though, cudo's to you, i couldnt do it.

5) CEO's are as nessecary to any job as the man or women who sits at the desk typing away all day. sure the large sums they make is often disproportion, but thats another subject. im all for lowering thier pay and redistributing it, but we'll save that for another thread.

6) you dislike funeral directors? its kinda nessecary a job as old as time. sure they may charge too much (im not really sure), but soemones gotta do that and i dunno about ypou but you couldnt pay me enough to do that stuff and hang out with dead bodies.

overall your arguemnts were weak. if youd used soemthing like "pornstar" i might have had difficulty. because as we know it is very similar to a prostitute, but certianly more socially acceptable.

why an honest prostitute? prostitutes probably have good and bad people just like EVERY SIMGLE other occupation in the world. to say you prefer an honest prostitute over a dishonest doctor is completely irrelevant and stupid..

the issue here is not the "oh i like an honest fireman more than a greedy police officer, but less than a selfish paramedic" BS.

The problem here is as the topic title says "is prosttution really that bad?" I have said yes, based on the amount of women who go into it with severe personal issues that only get worse and are encouraged through this work (the objectification of their body, unattaching emotions and sex, ect). i have also explained why legalizing is not only stupid, but would further the problem when its soemthing that can be controlled in a perfectly legal, and quite frankly way better way. just remember my garden analogy, and all the answers will come

[lionking]

Originally Posted by j760

First and foremost I think it's immoral. Plus, more often than not along with prostitution comes crime, drugs, etc. It also further spreads STD's, and by having it legal that would just encourage young women to sell their bodies because it's a quicker way to make a living. You would also see an increase in babies being born from this route, which means more children being raised by one parent, or perhaps increased abortions. Sex is a wonderful gift from God that I don't believe is for sale.

I disagree,actually I think from drugs comes all the other stuff.And having drugs illegal is what causes a market for criminals.

I also disagree that if it were legal more people would do it,you assume that is all you are doing.

The fact is making it illegal based on promoting "morality" actually increases crime on all these subjects.

And also,if it doesn't effect you personally then frankly it is none of your business to nanny someone and demand that others live by your creed.

[leangk]

Originally Posted by lionking

I disagree,actually I think from drugs comes all the other stuff.And having drugs illegal is what causes a market for criminals.

I also disagree that if it were legal more people would do it,you assume that is all you are doing.

The fact is making it illegal based on promoting "morality" actually increases crime on all these subjects.

And also,if it doesn't effect you personally then frankly it is none of your business to nanny someone and demand that others live by your creed.

to say there is no link to drugs is completely misguided and untrue, going against tonnes of studies and the general opinion of almost every country. of course you know more though.

more people would do it if it were legal or are you just thick?. no maybe your right, i guess its kinda like how in some arab countries alcohol is illegal, but i guess the same percentage there and in the US drink huh?

morality may be a strong word to use, but as i and many have argued, these women are often sexually abused. they go into this industry because only them and a small percentage of other women could do it (maybe for economic reasons). this only further increases problems for them however.

so morally, no one wins. instead of helping these people through therapy you legalizationw ould only further lead to making it a socially accepted practice, never actually getting to the root of the problem.

yet again it does effect us, or should we use your arguement about it "not effecting" us to justify other horrors in this world? female circumcision in africa doesnt effect me, but i want it stopped. nor does killing gays in the middle east, or the oppression of women there.

so basically reasoning if soo messed up (as i proved with the point above), its amazing that you even try to express your opinion here. So me and others are going to keep "nannying" people, because people like you with no real evidence to back you up, support a position you dont even understand and cant defend?!!?! and you wonder why some people have to nanny others? its one thing if you come here with good, well thought out reasoning. and another when you regurgitate that garbage here

[lionking]

Originally Posted by leangk

to say there is no link to drugs is completely misguided and untrue, going against tonnes of studies and the general opinion of almost every country. of course you know more though.

more people would do it if it were legal or are you just thick?. no maybe your right, i guess its kinda like how in some arab countries alcohol is illegal, but i guess the same percentage there and in the US drink huh?

morality may be a strong word to use, but as i and many have argued, these women are often sexually abused. they go into this industry because only them and a small percentage of other women could do it (maybe for economic reasons). this only further increases problems for them however.

so morally, no one wins. instead of helping these people through therapy you legalizationw ould only further lead to making it a socially accepted practice, never actually getting to the root of the problem.

yet again it does effect us, or should we use your arguement about it "not effecting" us to justify other horrors in this world? female circumcision in africa doesnt effect me, but i want it stopped. nor does killing gays in the middle east, or the oppression of women there.

so basically reasoning if soo messed up (as i proved with the point above), its amazing that you even try to express your opinion here. So me and others are going to keep "nannying" people, because people like you with no real evidence to back you up, support a position you dont even understand and cant defend?!!?! and you wonder why some people have to nanny others? its one thing if you come here with good, well thought out reasoning. and another when you regurgitate that garbage here

Actually you are dead wrong.You reason that having something illegal has decreased usage when in fact despite laws against drugs,gambling,prostitution,guns whatever it always has been business as usual,people do it or use despite.

And making something illegal creates business enterprise for criminals,and then criminals start using violence to maintain their control.So you are the one that is being thick.And you should be prepared to have others legislate your behavior also if you feel you have the right to.

You can't make people follow you by force,if you want people to see it your way you must pursuade.If you choose to force people to bend to your will they will disregard you anyway and it makes you a tyrant......yes that's right a self righteous tyrant.


What a adult does and what 2 consenting adults do together is none of your business as long as it doesn't intrude on you,so stop being so self righteous and arrogant .

[Saberai]

Originally Posted by LordBalfor

Tend to agree with those who think it should be legalized (as long as it is of one's free will) for the same reasons mentioned above. In truth, many women in effect sell their affections for reasons of financial security and enter into marriages and (thus allow their husbands to have sex with them) for reasons other than "love" - are these women prostitutes too? It's silly that two folks who have sex but no money changes hands are not doing anything illegal, but if the man gives the woman money in exchange it's suddenly against the law. What about those women who are seduced by the luxuries and security a wealthy man possesses? Is that not the same thing in many ways? Such activities are a pretty common occurrence. Few wealthy men have problems getting dates.

When it comes to sex, people do things for a lot of different reasons, but certainly women seeking financial security though sex (either within or outside of marriage) is a pretty common tale throughout history and across cultures. Are all these women prostitutes? From a moral perspective, I don't see how it's really all that different at it's core - once religion is left out of it.

Ken

You might as well say that every woman who is with a man is a prostitute in some way then.

[leangk]

Originally Posted by lionking

Actually you are dead wrong.You reason that having something illegal has decreased usage when in fact despite laws against drugs,gambling,prostitution,guns whatever it always has been business as usual,people do it or use despite.

And making something illegal creates business enterprise for criminals,and then criminals start using violence to maintain their control.So you are the one that is being thick.And you should be prepared to have others legislate your behavior also if you feel you have the right to.

You can't make people follow you by force,if you want people to see it your way you must pursuade.If you choose to force people to bend to your will they will disregard you anyway and it makes you a tyrant......yes that's right a self righteous tyrant.


What a adult does and what 2 consenting adults do together is none of your business as long as it doesn't intrude on you,so stop being so self righteous and arrogant .

yes having something illegal does decrease it. look at the drug use in the united states compared to say the netherlands where its legal.

look at the alcohol consumption in the united states as compared to parts of the middle east where its illegal. here there is obviously a significant difference and why? because its illegal! please dont deny it. youll look like an even bigger fool. so your also saying then that even though alcohol is illegal for kids under 18, they can get it just as easily when they are 16? of course not. i remember sooo many times at parties i didnt drink because i couldnt buy alcohol. had it been legal for me, of course i would have had it. case and point. legality deters

first of all i have backed up my point against prostitution many a times with facts and other stuff relating to the mental damage it causes, and the sort of women who go into it. i have also offered solutions (solutions in the case of severly cutting down the number of prostitutes, cause as we know like drug use, the number can only be brought down so much before it hits a certain number. then no social/economic factor can bring it down. it then becomes based on suply and demand)

i havent forced anyone, ive given my opinion with viable solutions, some people have disagreed, others not. i know i cant force anyone to believe the same, i can only give the best argument I can, and hope people find it more appealing than the latter.

(btw sorry i misread your comment relating to drugs and organized crime)

so now you change your point to "two consentual adults", because your other was was obviously faulty and left room for an enormous amount of interpretation.

but yet again you missed the point. prostitution is dangerous and leads to an increased chance of STD's spreading. does this not effect everyone?? of course we cant use this as the only reason so i have more...

this may seem alittle far fetched but the moral implications are similar. no one here i hpe thinks its ok to have sex with someone whos mentally handicapped? right? good. for many reasons but also because you would be taking advantage of them due to thier state. similarily for some prostitutes. well in the same way most of these women have a mental issue. they arent in a "normal" frame of mind.

i think the statistic i gave said something like 75 % were sexually assaulted as children! this stays with them, and creates low self esteem and self confidence, as well as a seperation of emotions and sex.

These womens mental problems are furthered however by people like you reasurring them its ok. "what happens between two consentual adults is none of my business as long as it doesnt effect anybody". but yet again you can counter this by using the argument of euthanasia, which is illegal. so i guess you cant do anything with your body you want? even when it hurts no one else?

anyways instead of helping these women, you encourage thier mental problems by saying we should legalize the highly destructive career choice they live. just as you wouldnt encourage someone who is suicidal by giving them a knife or a druggie by giving them drugs, you shouldnt encourage thier mental problems by legalizing it and making it easier.

its clear we would need a massive change to help these women, but simply legalizing it goes against the garden theory that i said (i have no clue it probably already exists with another name im just going to call it that) and only leads to its spreading an more problems.

[leangk]

Originally Posted by Saberai

You might as well say that every woman who is with a man is a prostitute in some way then.

it does appear hes saying this, and i guess if a women was just with a man for financial rewards and him just for sex she would be a prostitute. however, if the women was indeed a goldigger, and the man wanted more than just sex (love, family ect) she would not really be a prostitute. simply with him for money.

a prostitute is someone who gets paid for preforming sexual acts, and according to the man, she is simply taking her share of the money in the relationship which is normal in a stay at home mom situation or when one makes more than the other.

i couldnt imagine many situations where the man would knowingly pay and support a women simply for sex. as i said above there could be some confusion (him wanting love, her a goldigger and using him) however that would still not make her a prostitute. because he is not paying her for sex. maybe love. she is only sleeping with him for money? i dunno waht do others think? does that make her a prostitute?