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Old 02-10-2009, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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In case you didn't know, we live in the 21st century where the average life expectancy is around 72 years old (varies depending on gender). Screwing around (as in people) does not waste youth and can still produce productive members of society. It seems to me that you think you have to be married with kids by 26 to be considered successful and on your way to a 'good life.' People will settle down when they feel they are ready to. For some it's when their twenty and others it's when their forty; it's not in your place to judge.

Hence the "as recent as 200 to 300 years ago" part... Did you miss that?

Also, we still have the Bill of Rights, so it's always my place to have an opinion and to be able to voice my opinion. I can proclaim something wrong, right, neutral, or I can remain undecided... It is my right to be able to have opinions and beliefs about the validity of actions, behaviors, lifestyles, and such.
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Old 02-10-2009, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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So, we all agree ???
1. Prostitution really DOES exist--perhaps in several forms.
2. Men and women both want sex--sometimes "illicit" sex.
3. Prostitution has been around forever, and seems to be part of our human makeup.
4. We can not "stamp out" prostitution.
5. Prostitutes and their customers are both engaged in consensual acts.
6. Prostitutes and their customers both know what they are getting for their money or services.
7. There really is a compelling community health issue which could be addressed via regulation.
8. There really is a compleling community health issue which cannot now, and never will be able to be addressed with criminalization.
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Old 02-10-2009, 04:26 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The poster who referenced the situation with the man, woman, and groceries, didn't give us enough information to determine if they wound up in a relationship or if that was a one-night thing. If it was a one-night thing why would the guy buy her anything after-the-fact? If sex was all he wanted, he had already gotten it as of the point in time where she asked for grocery money, so there was no reason to give her anything. You mention the issue of guilt, but I'd venture that a man who just uses a woman for sex in a one-night stand, quite likely has narcissistic and/or sociopathic tendencies and thus has little if any feelings of guilt, ever, in any aspect of his life.

The fact that he bought her groceries, something he wasn't obligated to do, speaks to his original motives in going to bed with her. Perhaps he was overly eager to get into a relationship with her and jumped into bed right away, jumping the gun (no pun intended). All we can do is speculate about his intentions or his motives. But we know for certain that he did not have to buy her groceries to get sex, since he had already obtained the sex.
Really? Me and every guy I know is a sociopath because every one of us has had a one-nighter? Wow, you really need to leave your house and go to the real world. Comparing the vast majority of young city-dwelling men to serial killers (as they are generally sociopaths) is not only Naive, but simply wrong. Your opinions on this topic are obviously skewed by a warped view of the world.

One night stands are incredibly common in American society, and many of them result in mistake babies (I've coached a number of them) and sham marriages as a result of those mistake babies. We will never be in a puritanical Christian society, so you might as well give it up and realize that most of us don't live in your little naive perfect world. No matter what the "intent" was of that grocery girl, the fact remains, she had sex with the guy, then asked him for a financial favor. If that's not prostitution, nothing is. She didn't ask him BEFORE they had sex...she waited till after.
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Old 02-10-2009, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I don't show a lack of knowledge on the issue, I show an opinion you don't like.
No - lack of knowledge.

The post in question - you clearly indicated a lack of knowledge of the fact that men and women "hook up" for one night stands - for sex only - no committment - no desire for committments. Hell - a lot of times, they don't even get to know the other persons name!
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Old 02-10-2009, 04:42 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Human nature, as recent as 200-300 years ago, most people died before age 40, few made it beyond 50, let alone 60. Being twenty used to mean you were halfway through your life, now it typically means you're a fourth of the way through, maybe a fifth (depends), most likely about a fourth. Why would anybody want to waste their youth screwing around when they should be focused on their future?

You know not every young person is a boozed up sex fiend who will jump into bed with the first person who agrees to have sex with them. Some parents raised their children with self-respect, respect for others, and a sense of honor, dignity, and common decency. I never debased myself by hopping into bed with random women, nor did I disrespect women by using them for sex. Some parents taught their kids to value themselves and value others. Sadly these beliefs are being tossed by the wayside these days.
Yeah, you're so perfect...

Get of your high horse.

Not everyone is a bible thumper like you and actually wants to live their life.

No 20 year old should be getting married, most 20 year olds have no idea who they are yet. How can they make a decision to be with someone 60 years down the line when they barely know what they want?

Not every person who has one night stands is a boozed-up sex fiend either. I had a few one nighters, but I also turned down dozens of them too. In college, I got offered a one night stand by at least a couple of drunk girls every time I went out to the bars, but most of the time I would just walk them home and make sure they got back to their room safely, then I'd return to my friends at the bar. I made out with probably 100 different women in college, but I only slept with two or three as a one night. Sometimes guys have a one night stand to get over a breakup, sometimes they have them to have a good time and most of the time they have them because they have an opportunity presented to them. They are not immoral for it, and they are certainly not sociopaths.

And if one night stands are so common, and most of the time are bought through rounds of martinis, why shouldn't women just be allowed to take a credit card and pay taxes on money given to her for sex?

I know a guy who paid his way through school working as an escort...but he did so illegally and didn't pay taxes on the money he made hooking. I personally think it's insane for anyone to think the government should regulate morality. I think you have to be a sociopath to believe that some 2000 year old book can be an authority on a modern society. I think you have to be a sociopath to believe that Jesus (whose closest female companion, Mary Magdalene, was a prostitute) would have any say on whether prostitution is legal in modern society. And you have to be a sociopath to think that almost every single guy in the navy without a wife is a sociopath.
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Old 02-10-2009, 04:56 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I'm 22, and I've been with my wife for 6 years. (We're celebrating the first anniversary of our marriage Thursday.)
And you're saying that's a good thing? It's not even legal for 16 year olds to be married in this state, and for good reason. Have you met 16 year olds in love? They aren't exactly smart...

My sister will kill me for this, but if she was married to her boyfriend when she was 16, she'd be the wife of a twice convicted felon who is probably working on his third strike right now.

If I married one of my GFs from when I was 16, I'd be married to either a druggie who has had at least 3 abortions (don't worry, I don't think any were mine), a high school dropout or a girl who now weighs as much as I do with about 8 inches less in height. Sorry, but those are all awful choices.

Plus, most HS Sweetheart marriages end up in divorce.

After all, I was in a totally different place as a 16 year old than I am now. There is no way that the kind of girls I dated then (rebellious types, into music and reading) would be the kind of woman I'd be with today as an investment advisor and volunteer basketball/football coach.

I know you've only been married a year, and I wish you the best of luck in your life together, but come to us in 10 years and tell us what you think. Most guys don't meet that special someone in high school, and many only have the ability to talk to women when drinking...hence the one nighters. It takes a special girl to turn a one night stand into a relationship...or a very controlling and dominant one. 99% of 16-22 year olds are not personally developed or mature enough to make a decision that will last for 60+ years.

Plus, if you're travelling around Europe by train for two months, are you really going to settle down into a relationship with the girl you hooked up with at the Munich Hostel?
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:39 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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No it doesn't surprise me in the least because I have a great understanding of what eight decades of radical feminism and sexual revolution have done to undermine American society and conventional morality.

If one-night stands and group orgies were the biological norm for humans, then they would be engaging in them rampantly, without the need of decades of conditioning, media brainwashing, hollywood videos making such things popular, endless sitcoms and soap operas advancing such ideas. If humans were meant to have sex at the drop of a hat, they would be doing so without having to undergo decades of cultural revolution and brainwashing.

Of course some people will always be one extreme or another, totally shunning sex or having sex with anything that moves, but as with all distributions, some values will fall one or even two standard deviations away from the average, although most values will be found within one standard deviation on either side.

What we have seen in the last several decades is a shifting of norms. It didn't happen on its own, it was pursued as part of a larger agenda, by design. It was carefully planned and implemented. I'm not a fan of social engineering.

Wow, your ignorance is incredible!

Ever hear of a brothel? Well, the old west, before the "radical feminism and cultural revolution brainwashing" had tons of brothels. Ever hear of a concubine or consort? Well, nearly every single royal in history had some. Ever been to (or seen pictures of) Pompeii? They had brothels there complete with menus on the walls.

Yeah, people just started having sex because of feminism and the cultural revolution...
Ever hear of a shotgun wedding? That's not a new thing that came about since "Leave it to Beaver" showed them all those bad morals you talk about. The Roaring 20s?

Come on. Really? Did you really go there? Do you really think that "the media" is responsible for the sexual attitudes of humans? Have you ever studied any history that wasn't about Jesus? The Greeks, Romans, even the Asian cultures all have wild sexual histories and there are plenty of books about sex prior to the 1900s.

You keep saying you're not ignorant or naive, and then you make statements like that which prove it beyond a doubt.
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Old 02-10-2009, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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And you're saying that's a good thing? It's not even legal for 16 year olds to be married in this state, and for good reason. Have you met 16 year olds in love? They aren't exactly smart...

My sister will kill me for this, but if she was married to her boyfriend when she was 16, she'd be the wife of a twice convicted felon who is probably working on his third strike right now.

If I married one of my GFs from when I was 16, I'd be married to either a druggie who has had at least 3 abortions (don't worry, I don't think any were mine), a high school dropout or a girl who now weighs as much as I do with about 8 inches less in height. Sorry, but those are all awful choices.

Plus, most HS Sweetheart marriages end up in divorce.

After all, I was in a totally different place as a 16 year old than I am now. There is no way that the kind of girls I dated then (rebellious types, into music and reading) would be the kind of woman I'd be with today as an investment advisor and volunteer basketball/football coach.

I know you've only been married a year, and I wish you the best of luck in your life together, but come to us in 10 years and tell us what you think. Most guys don't meet that special someone in high school, and many only have the ability to talk to women when drinking...hence the one nighters. It takes a special girl to turn a one night stand into a relationship...or a very controlling and dominant one. 99% of 16-22 year olds are not personally developed or mature enough to make a decision that will last for 60+ years.

Plus, if you're travelling around Europe by train for two months, are you really going to settle down into a relationship with the girl you hooked up with at the Munich Hostel?
Are you saying that our situation is bad thing? I won't say that our story is the norm. We're the exception by a long shot. But who is to say if it is right for us or not? We did date for quite some time *at least for us* and moved in together before marriage. This was to ensure that we could live together without ending up on the 6 o'clock news for murder. Again, we're the exception, not the rule. Yes, most HS sweetheart marriages do indeed end in divorce, but I wouldn't look down on all of them because of it.

I mean really, the divorce rate in America just stinks altogether!

That being said, neither of us (Lang nor myself) disagree with prostitution, which is the topic at hand. In fact, I've always considered it a good thing as many men *and women* can experience their own fantasies without strings or worry. The brothels in Nevada are an excellent example of how it should be - with STD testing and all. When people are sexually satisfied, they are more pleasing to be around.

Prostitutes can make some decent money. In places where it is illegal, the transactions still occur - but that money is not taxed. Make it legal, tax it, and the governmental budget has more money.
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Old 02-10-2009, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Really? Me and every guy I know is a sociopath because every one of us has had a one-nighter? Wow, you really need to leave your house and go to the real world. Comparing the vast majority of young city-dwelling men to serial killers (as they are generally sociopaths) is not only Naive, but simply wrong. Your opinions on this topic are obviously skewed by a warped view of the world.

One out of four men surveyed in the UK were willing to admit, on a survey, that they would rape a woman if they were certain they could get away with it. As to how many were willing to rape but simply didn't want to put down such an answer on a survey, we can only speculate.

A one-night stand might as well be considered a form of emotional/mental rape. You're using somebody for your own purposes.


Using/manipulating others for your own gratification or simply for the sake of manipulating/using them is a sign of a sociopathic personality. Virtually all serial killers are sociopathic and/or narcissistic, but not all sociopaths and/or narcissists are active serial killers.

I don't believe that people exist for the amusement of other people. I don't believe that people exist for the gratification of other people.
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Old 02-10-2009, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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A one-night stand might as well be considered a form of emotional/mental rape. You're using somebody for your own purposes.
I don't believe that people exist for the amusement of other people. I don't believe that people exist for the gratification of other people.
Oh please! Sex is fun! And men and women get together, for one night - or day - for FUN.

It is not, in any shape, fashion or form, "rape" - it is consensual FUN

Get a grip on real life

OBTW - when I'm at Malibu, or South Beach - I see LOT'S of young women in the smallest of small swim suits - its quite gratifying
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