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Old 04-01-2009, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Texas
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See, even Afoi is for it, Nevada its time to step up your game. We need a guinea pig state
I wouldn't want TX to be the guinea pig.

I still think it's naive to assume that the problems will go away or that new problems will not be created. But, if the people of Nevada wanted to give it a try, they should have that right and the other states could see how it works out.
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Old 04-01-2009, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Nevada could then be used as a more appropriate study to determine whether it is feasible to legalize in other states.
This comment made me curious. I wonder why such a study would be necessary? It's not as though prostitution is going to disappear--or even decrease--just because it has official, legal status in one state but not in another. It's out there, whether anyone considers it legal or not. Maybe what our lawmakers need to do is just acknowledge reality. Or, I should say, acknowledge reality a little more than they presently do.
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Old 04-01-2009, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Wyoming
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I leave the post alone for a day and it turns into a debate about the seriousness of a threat to kill another person??? ... Come on guys, focus!

Now I am aware that it would never pass as a national law right now, so I think what would be best is to work on expanding/regulating the places where prostitution is legal, namely Nevada. Now it is technically legal but its not within the city limits of either Reno or Vegas, and it is not being taxed. Lets make it legal within the city limits and allow it to be taxed. I'm guessing that between gambling and prostitution Nevada would have one of the best state budgets in the Country.
It's not that brothels aren't allowed within Nevada city limits; some are. Counties in Nevada can vote whether or not to allow brothels and restrict where they can/cannot be. More than half do allow them. The towns/cities located in those counties can also allow it and regulate it. In an effort to keep Las Vegas and Reno "family friendly", the state forbids prostitution in those counties.

I think it's wise to leave it up to the local voters/government to decide.

It's not taxed by the state, but counties do charge for the licenses. Of course they must pay federal income tax if they show a profit.


Prostitution outside of a licensed brothel is illegal in all of Nevada, yet there's considerable prostitution in Las Vegas. According to Wikipedia, "In 2003, Las Vegas police arrested more than 127 prostitutes under 18 and more than 368 who were HIV positive even though legal, supervised brothels were available a short drive away."

Also, "Since 1986, when mandatory testing began, not a single brothel prostitute has ever tested positive for HIV." Nevada's brothels, all total, "employ" about 300 prostitutes.
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Old 04-01-2009, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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we should allow pedophilia too since apparently arresting and putting offenders behind bars doesn't work either then.


Prostitution among adults is not pedophilia. Pedophilia should remain a crime--perhaps one with capital punishment. After all, it fails the basic test of "liberty a la Voltaire": There are victims who are directly harmed.
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Old 04-01-2009, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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It's not that brothels aren't allowed within Nevada city limits; some are. Counties in Nevada can vote whether or not to allow brothels and restrict where they can/cannot be. More than half do allow them. The towns/cities located in those counties can also allow it and regulate it. In an effort to keep Las Vegas and Reno "family friendly", the state forbids prostitution in those counties.

Prostitution outside of a licensed brothel is illegal in all of Nevada, yet there's considerable prostitution in Las Vegas. According to Wikipedia, "In 2003, Las Vegas police arrested more than 127 prostitutes under 18 and more than 368 who were HIV positive even though legal, supervised brothels were available a short drive away."

Also, "Since 1986, when mandatory testing began, not a single brothel prostitute has ever tested positive for HIV." Nevada's brothels, all total, "employ" about 300 prostitutes.
I love it when my theories get some factual backing. what can we learn from this.

1) In Vegas, where prostitution is illegal, minors are able to work and the prostitutes cause the spread of disease.
2) People are willing to commit a crime inside Vegas rather than drive outside of it.
3) Legalized prostitution does not necessarily cause the spread of disease.

I think the family friendly bit about Vegas could easily be kept while allowing prostitution. What if the hotels themselves had the brothels? They could convert a single floor in one of their hotel towers and the parents and kids would never even know it was there.
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Old 04-01-2009, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Wyoming
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... I think the family friendly bit about Vegas could easily be kept while allowing prostitution. What if the hotels themselves had the brothels? They could convert a single floor in one of their hotel towers and the parents and kids would never even know it was there.
Yeah, they hand out so many flyers in Vegas for "private entertainers" and "masseuses" with pictures of half-naked women, disallowing brothels probably isn't doing much good. Of course, if they had legal prostitution the flyers wouldn't go away; they'd just be more direct.

Love the idea of a hotel floor for a brothel. They could make it the 13th floor, since those are never used anyway. It would be kinda like the floor in Circus-Circus for kids, except this one would be for the dirty old men. "Sweetheart, why don't you take the kids to the game floor; I need to get off my feet for awhile."
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Old 04-01-2009, 03:07 PM
 
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Haha I live in Vegas and you literally would not be able to tell that prostitution wasn't legal unless you looked it up. There are so many illegal aliens flicking their little call girl cards on the street its kind of a nuisance. Theres giant driving billboards with phone numbers for agencies all over the strip. I remember playing poker in the MGM and everyone at the table could always pick out the hookers walking by with their johns.

What I'm trying to convey is that if prostitution is legalized in Vegas, there would most likely be more regulations for these women and it would at least be a lot healthier for all parties involved. Now if we could just get rid of the negative stigma that anonymous sex carries...
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Old 04-02-2009, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I don't think any one feels legalizing prostitution would be the "cure all" for any and all the problems that are associated with it. The point is that the benefits of legalizing it outweigh the benefits of keeping it illegal. If it's made legal, it can't be anything goes, any where, any time, etc....by legalizing it, you control it (not the opposite...let it just go crazy and get out of hand)....how ever way works best so that it's not a problem for every day citizens who have no interest in it (or their families), yet make it convenient for both prostitutes and johns to want to go along with doing it the legal way. My understanding in Nevada is that the idea was to allow it in counties with under a certain population, there by ensuring that it would be in places where it didn't bother any one (like out in the middle of no where). I've passed some while traveling through Nevada and the ones I saw, really were out in the middle of no where....nothing around for miles and you could see it from miles away too. I remember one was yellow.....every where....every square inch of that piece of property and anything on it, was painted yellow....the building , the parking lot (the actual pavement).

If you don't want to see billboards advertising it, make that illegal....if you don't want fliers, make it illegal but, give the brothels a place where they can set up business and still attract customers without any problems. Make any and all fines for operating illegaly so severe, that there's very little interest to still do it that way when it can be done legally without having to worry about getting busted. Las Vegas is after all "Sin City" so it's all over the place and enforcing illegal activity right now is difficult but, if legalized and restricted, the illegal operations will stand out and eventually disappear as long as the authorities show that their serious about it with heavy penalties if and when caught. Make first offenses a mandatory 6 months in jail and watch how fast any one illegal turns legal. There's no reason to break the law when there's a legal way to do it....unless you can't work legally because you're underage or have HIV/AIDS, which would make johns even less likely to have an interest in being with someone illegally.

Right now in Nevada, I think the legal brothels are not only too far away and inconvenient but, also way too expensive....that would change though if everyone was forced into operating legally because it wasn't worth it to not be legal.....with everyone on the same playing field, the competition would drive prices down. I've known of people traveling hours to get to a brothel to find out that it's a couple thousand dollars for an hour of sex.....that's what that brothel on HBO showed johns were paying and as much as $20,000 for over night. The escort agency the ex-NY governor used, charged something like $32,000 for dusk to dawn with an escort.

BTW, as far as pimps go, there was another special on HBO called, "Pimps Up, Hoes Down". The pimps from all over have an annual convention they all go to....I think on the show it was in Chicago that time.....they were in a bar, that's how small the convention was.....I don't even think there were a dozen pimps (one was female too)....and most of them only had one girl. Although Ice-T did show up....apparently he used to be a pimp before going Hollywood (which he said was the same thing as pimping)....he knew everyone there.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Texas
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that their serious about it with heavy penalties if and when caught. Make first offenses a mandatory 6 months in jail and watch how fast any one illegal turns legal.
If we're talking about this as a way to solve the overincarceration problem, I guarantee it won't help. Right now, most prostitutes are probably serving 10 days in jail on average if that. This plan would have MORE people in jail for illegal prostitution than there are in jail for prostitution now.
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Old 04-02-2009, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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If we're talking about this as a way to solve the overincarceration problem, I guarantee it won't help. Right now, most prostitutes are probably serving 10 days in jail on average if that. This plan would have MORE people in jail for illegal prostitution than there are in jail for prostitution now.
I'm going to agree with Afoi on this one, the last thing we need is more people in prison for non violent crimes. Instead just make the fines expensive enough to discouraage anyone from risking it, especially when they could just as easily do it legally in a brothel. I think you'll find more prostitutes would worry about losing money rather than going to jail for 10 days or whatever.
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