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Old 04-03-2009, 02:37 PM
 
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They won't make much money in jail for six months either. If you don't give stiff penalties along with legalizing it, it will never stop. You don't neeed to send people to prison for prostitution....jail is fine. I'm from Arizona and although I'm not crazy about sheriff Joe Arpaio but, he does know how to run a jail on a tight budget....tent city. Las Vegas is the same climate as Phoenix so, conditions would be about the same. In tent city, the prisoners sleep on cots under old army tents. The sides are rolled up during the summer months and they have a heater in each one for the winter mornings. He manages to feed the prisoners on something like 30 cents a meal. I think your drink (milk) comes in a zip lock baggie....it's jail, it's not the Hilton. Six months isn't a big deal, they give one year for third degree burglary. The other thing that would work, is a suspended sentences in exchange for a lot of community service....like a 1,000-1,500 hours......picking up litter.

I'm sure at first there would be quite an increase in prisoners but, won't stay that way for long. You have to remember the number of people being arrested for it now, is because it's illegal now. If it's legalized, it would only be the people that were unwilling to operate within the law that would be getting arrested. If you don't increase the penalties for operating illegaly, there would be little incentive to stay with in the law....not having to pay taxes alone would make it worth while to operate illegaly. You can't just increase fines....a lot won't be able to pay them any way....then what, you'll have people in jail for not being able to pay their fines.

I'm not crazy about Sinapore either but, there's an example of where heavy penalties do work...I'm just talking about doing it for the prostitution though. I've heard, if you don't flush a urinal over there when you're done, it's $500 fine....on the other hand women can walk down a street alone at midnight over there with no fear of being attacked.
The US has the highest percentage of people in prison or on supervised parole of any country in the world. The US has the greatest number of people actually in jail of any nation in the world.

We don't need more laws designed to lock people up. We are smarter than that--and part of that smartness is to recognize that we can't stop everyone from doing things like prostitution, gambling, smoking weed, etc. We really need to get off our high horse, to put away our "holier than thou" attitude and recognize that this great nation--founded on liberty--just plainly needs more liberty. We are driving up the costs of our criminal justice system and not creating any reasonably nor any sustainable results.
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Old 04-03-2009, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The US has the highest percentage of people in prison or on supervised parole of any country in the world. The US has the greatest number of people actually in jail of any nation in the world.

We don't need more laws designed to lock people up. We are smarter than that--and part of that smartness is to recognize that we can't stop everyone from doing things like prostitution, gambling, smoking weed, etc. We really need to get off our high horse, to put away our "holier than thou" attitude and recognize that this great nation--founded on liberty--just plainly needs more liberty. We are driving up the costs of our criminal justice system and not creating any reasonably nor any sustainable results.
The way to deal with the problem of too many people being locked up is to decrease recidivism rates. There ARE things that work far better than we're doing now that can accomplish this.

Do I agree that we have some laws on the books right now that shouldn't be? Yes.

But the reason for legalizing something shouldn't be about reducing the number of people in the system.
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Old 04-03-2009, 06:04 PM
 
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The way to deal with the problem of too many people being locked up is to decrease recidivism rates. There ARE things that work far better than we're doing now that can accomplish this.

Do I agree that we have some laws on the books right now that shouldn't be? Yes.

But the reason for legalizing something shouldn't be about reducing the number of people in the system.
Did you know that 75% of the people convicted of felonies for drugs were found guilty of having majiuana (sp) in their possession? Did you know that is the most common drug arrest? We have laws that shouldn't be laws. In California we have some stupid laws. A guy was given 15 to 25 because he threw a dog off a bridge. If he had done that to a person his sentence would have been 5 to 10.

We just cannot allow any more crimes to be written! (generallly speaking, that is.)
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Old 04-03-2009, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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The US has the highest percentage of people in prison or on supervised parole of any country in the world. The US has the greatest number of people actually in jail of any nation in the world.

We don't need more laws designed to lock people up. We are smarter than that--and part of that smartness is to recognize that we can't stop everyone from doing things like prostitution, gambling, smoking weed, etc. We really need to get off our high horse, to put away our "holier than thou" attitude and recognize that this great nation--founded on liberty--just plainly needs more liberty. We are driving up the costs of our criminal justice system and not creating any reasonably nor any sustainable results.
The point is you won't be putting many in jail if it's legalized and penalized heavily for those still operating illegally. How is legalizing it taking away someones liberties....did you bother to read that part. It's not about a holier than though attitude, the penalties are necessary so that people do it within the legalized system that would be set up. The problem now is it's unsafe....doing what I'm saying let's everyone get what they want.

Although if you want, we can just go back to strapping a gun on our hips and settle things between ourselves and keep the law out of it...like we used to do it...when we were first founded on liberty. There's 305 million people in this country now, you can't do things like we did 200 years, it's much more crowed...people live on top of people now, not on 40 acres.....we have HIV/AIDS now....or is letting people that have it (and maybe not even know it) give it to others, too holier than thou for you.
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Old 04-04-2009, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Did you know that 75% of the people convicted of felonies for drugs were found guilty of having majiuana (sp) in their possession? Did you know that is the most common drug arrest?
Yes. I know that marijuana possession is the most common drug arrest.

As far as that 75% statistic, however, I do not believe it. In all 50 states, I believe, simple possession of weed is a misdemeanor, not a felony. If that 75% statistic is true, they were in possession of large amounts and/or dealing.

Here in Texas, a person who gets caught with a little pot (and not even really a "little"...I'm talking about 2 ounces or even 4 ounces of the stuff) will get a nice little monthly meeting with a probation officer and random drug tests for 6 months or so. That's about it. If they get caught repeatedly, maybe 10 days in jail. Hardly ever more.

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We have laws that shouldn't be laws. In California we have some stupid laws. A guy was given 15 to 25 because he threw a dog off a bridge. If he had done that to a person his sentence would have been 5 to 10.
I agree that's crazy. Animal abuse does, however, IMO need to be a crime.

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We just cannot allow any more crimes to be written! (generallly speaking, that is.)
Agree. But, at the same time, I don't think taking a majority of the ones we already have off the books is the best solution.
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Old 04-15-2009, 09:57 PM
 
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Prostitution has long been known by many as the "victimless" crime. While it's true that neither the prostitute or the "John" is considered a victim, the sale of sex is still illegal. Why do you think that is? What do you think of prostitution?
I have two daughters and it would kill my soul if they became involved in this prfesion! So thats one answer yes there is victims! and there is other people who would be hurt emosionaly if a family member done this! and i am sure there is a dark side to that life? a lot of perverts out there!
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Old 04-16-2009, 10:30 AM
 
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I have two daughters and it would kill my soul if they became involved in this prfesion! So thats one answer yes there is victims! and there is other people who would be hurt emosionaly if a family member done this! and i am sure there is a dark side to that life? a lot of perverts out there!
That wouldn't make you a victim any more than if one of your kids started robbing gas stations. Yes...it would be cause great dispair...but vicimization--no.
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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I have two daughters and it would kill my soul if they became involved in this prfesion! So thats one answer yes there is victims! and there is other people who would be hurt emosionaly if a family member done this! and i am sure there is a dark side to that life? a lot of perverts out there!
What if your daughters went into the porn industry, are you still a victim?? Your argument does not apply only to prostitution so its not valid. We are talking strictly prostitution here. How a person's choices affect a family is irrelevant to this debate. What direct harm comes from prostitution??
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Old 04-16-2009, 12:23 PM
 
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What if your daughters went into the porn industry, are you still a victim?? Your argument does not apply only to prostitution so its not valid. We are talking strictly prostitution here. How a person's choices affect a family is irrelevant to this debate. What direct harm comes from prostitution??
Exactly. Even though I would not like it--s/he (could be a son not a daughter) would not be a victim. And even though I would not like it, I would continue loving my child, and letting them know that I love them.
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Old 04-16-2009, 07:16 PM
 
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That wouldn't make you a victim any more than if one of your kids started robbing gas stations. Yes...it would be cause great dispair...but vicimization--no.
We all know the law about prostitution! And as a father it would feel like mental abuse is what i guess i am saying..so there are victims even if there is no law to back it! And i have never met a child that told me when they growed up they wanted to be a hooker or porn star! I think there is sex addicts out in the world and i also think the reason for a lot of girls doing such is fueled by other things?how many time have you met a proud hooker? I bet if you met most of them when they was not working or in a diffrent state they would not poke there chest out with pride and ask for a hooker discount! I know it can be argued all day from both sides if you get in to the tech end of it,look what bending the truth got for O.J he got off when deep down we all knew it was wrong! I hope you can see the point i am trying ti make,if i stoled a gallon of gas or pack of gum i would not be looked down on or it would not leave the same brand in my mind if my children stoled a gallon of gas,we may look back on petty stuff and gigle three years from now? but not on prostitution!
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