Prostitution! How bad is it really? (Christmas, stereotypes, dollars, school)

[sassyone]

Originally Posted by tag08

Prostitution has long been known by many as the "victimless" crime. While it's true that neither the prostitute or the "John" is considered a victim, the sale of sex is still illegal. Why do you think that is? What do you think of prostitution?

I think prostitution should have been long ago legalized and regulated.
There is going to be no stopping prostitution, so we might as well make it safe. It would be better to go to a brothel than pick some girl up off the street, and it would be safer for the prostitutes too. It would do away with the pimp who take most of their wages.

[cpg35223]

Here's my opinion on it: It's not my business. As long as you don't set up shop next door out of your house, and as long as you are not spreading communicable diseases to the community, it's not my beeswax.

I feel the same way about narcotics. And I'm a guy who has never employed a hooker or done drugs, and can't imagine a situation where I would start.

What it boils down to is this. This country is supposed to be about freedom, right? Yet I'm always amazed how quickly people want to outlaw things that they don't like, whether it's prostitution, drugs, alcohol, baggy pants, or copies of Harry Potter on the library shelves.

To me, the only question is this: Does it pose an immediate danger to the community. So while I certainly would protest somebody infringing on my right to buy a six-pack of beer, I would also agree wholeheartedly with the government cracking down on drunk driving.

[andreaspercheron]

This is my personal belief. If a woman or man for that matter wants to disgrace their bodies, be immoral, have every Tom, Dick and Harry all up in their business, then why not? I mean let's be honest here, how is prostitution different than abortion - it's your body, you do what you want. Is everyone going to agree? Are you going to get brownie points for doing it? No and no but again, it's your body, your life. If you want to earn your living having sex with strangers for money, run risk of abuse, death, disease, then by all means - be my guest. If your spouse wants to leave the sanctity of his / her relationship and run the risk right along side of these prostitutes, then that's not my problem and it's not yours, it's his / hers.
I think prostitution should be legal. It's legal in Nevada and the women in certain areas make a lot of money. If that is your choice of profession - who cares? If you make it a law, set some rules and mandate it, it can be done but it won't ever because of moral obligation.

[leangk]

Originally Posted by sassyone

I think prostitution should have been long ago legalized and regulated.
There is going to be no stopping prostitution, so we might as well make it safe. It would be better to go to a brothel than pick some girl up off the street, and it would be safer for the prostitutes too. It would do away with the pimp who take most of their wages.

thats unfortunately one of the most misguided statments ive read here. the fact is that if we are going to spend the time and money to legalize and regulate it (which means setting up new organizations, creating new laws, taxes ect costing in the millions of millions) why not get to the stem of the problem.

how many women actually go into prostitution because they like it? how many women in prostitution are "normal", were not sexually abused, have a large amount of self respect and dignity? now how many live a normal life, have a loving family, a husband and child? 0% probably?

the fact that it is "safer go to to a brothel" and therefore favourable to set them up and legalize it parralels to having injections sites for druggies and giving them the drugs!!

the fact is most or all women go into prostitution because its quick, easy and they really have no other choice. these women then tend to become abused, live in substandard housing, have an unstable life, contract STD's or use drugs.

we need to start providing a solution to this by offering more employment oppurtunity and "get on your feet clinics" similar to the ones we offer to just about every other druggie.

the classical left wing idea of "lets make it legal, we cant stop it anyways!!!" is the sort of thing that has allowed the homeless problem to continue (hanging out needles, food and money to the homeless is not even a temporary solution) getting them jobs is permanent

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by leangk

the fact is most or all women go into prostitution because its quick, easy and they really have no other choice. these women then tend to become abused, live in substandard housing, have an unstable life, contract STD's or use drugs.

we need to start providing a solution to this by offering more employment oppurtunity and "get on your feet clinics" similar to the ones we offer to just about every other druggie.

The BOLDED above is funny -

Until you can assure one of the fine ladies that they can take home, oh, say 4,000 to 5,000 a week, you are not going anywhere!

We have brothels in Nevada - and the list of reasons for working there varies (as it does with stripping) - A couple of examples - there are some who work the summer only - 2 / 3 months and earn 40/50K and go to school the other nine months.

There are those that actually like the work.

In Nevada, you do drugs - you don't work in the Brothels. Street hookers do drugs (some, not all)

Incidences of STD's in the Brothels in Nevada? Non existent

So - you can earn 1,200 @ week ($30 @ hour). OR, earn $5,000 @ week.

Now, which would you choose?

[leangk]

Originally Posted by Greatday

The BOLDED above is funny -

Until you can assure one of the fine ladies that they can take home, oh, say 4,000 to 5,000 a week, you are not going anywhere!

We have brothels in Nevada - and the list of reasons for working there varies (as it does with stripping) - A couple of examples - there are some who work the summer only - 2 / 3 months and earn 40/50K and go to school the other nine months.

There are those that actually like the work.

In Nevada, you do drugs - you don't work in the Brothels. Street hookers do drugs (some, not all)

Incidences of STD's in the Brothels in Nevada? Non existent

So - you can earn 1,200 @ week ($30 @ hour). OR, earn $5,000 @ week.

Now, which would you choose?

i would choose to have my dignity, believe it or not. selling your body is one of the most discusting things out there. im not saying this because of a "moral" reason. but just imaging hundreds of random men, treating you like an object. the whole ordeal is extremely mentally damaging. your no longer a person, your an object.

and those women in the brothel are the lucky ones, if "lucky" can even apply to something so degrading. those women in the brothel also make up 1%, less? of the total prostitutes in the united states. the majority are beaten, use drugs, get STD's and so on.

do you honestly believe those women like working? are you serious? kinda like how porn starts like working too? despite we know that something like 90% and over were sexually abused as a child? ive seen the damage that causes (my friend was raped by her dad when she was a child), and the people who this happens too normally ( not always but alot of the time) go two ways. they become ho's which is extremely sad, or the cant be touched by anyone anymore.

the sad thing is my friend is an extremely great person, funny and kind. ut that has messed her up forever.

the fact is I was talking about Canada, where each year billions and billions of dollars keep going to food, safe "drug shoot up clinics" and shelter for homeless people. does this fix the problem? no its makes it worse. spending abit (or even alot ) more money would help these people soooo much more.

I know the Us isnt the same because its not as "socialized" as canada and there is alot more unemployment.

but i cannot believe for one second that these women are perfectly normal and happy when they have to sleep with these gross men for money. the idea is so degrading its sick

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by leangk

i would choose to have my dignity, believe it or not. selling your body is one of the most discusting things out there. im not saying this because of a "moral" reason. but just imaging hundreds of random men, treating you like an object. the whole ordeal is extremely mentally damaging. your no longer a person, your an object.

and those women in the brothel are the lucky ones, if "lucky" can even apply to something so degrading. those women in the brothel also make up 1%, less? of the total prostitutes in the united states. the majority are beaten, use drugs, get STD's and so on.

do you honestly believe those women like working? are you serious? kinda like how porn starts like working too? despite we know that something like 90% and over were sexually abused as a child? ive seen the damage that causes (my friend was raped by her dad when she was a child), and the people who this happens too normally ( not always but alot of the time) go two ways. they become ho's which is extremely sad, or the cant be touched by anyone anymore.

Yes - many do enjoy working in the Brothels. And, while I respect your position on the issue of ones dignity, I'll submit to you that the decision is a personal one - and not for you or me to decide for the individual.

As for "Prostitution" in general - Prostitution is an economic issue - trading something of value for something of value. And, with all due respect, women have been doing this since the beginning of time: Women will use sex as a tool to get something they want - this is undeniable.

The difference is - Prostitutes are up front on it - they quote a price for something that the man (or woman) wants. Wives and Girlfriends are a little more coy about it -

You will never get rid of Prostitution - it has been tried - and failed - MISERABLY!!!!!

[leangk]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Yes - many do enjoy working in the Brothels. And, while I respect your position on the issue of ones dignity, I'll submit to you that the decision is a personal one - and not for you or me to decide for the individual.

As for "Prostitution" in general - Prostitution is an economic issue - trading something of value for something of value. And, with all due respect, women have been doing this since the beginning of time: Women will use sex as a tool to get something they want - this is undeniable.

The difference is - Prostitutes are up front on it - they quote a price for something that the man (or woman) wants. Wives and Girlfriends are a little more coy about it -

You will never get rid of Prostitution - it has been tried - and failed - MISERABLY!!!!!

although i agree that prostitution will never go away, because "as long as theres supply there will be demand", however i strongly strongly believe that with the correct conditions (fair paying jobs for all), it can be stamped out into almost nothing. isnt that better than "legalizing it"?

we see it all the time with crime and drugs. during times of great poverty and umemployment, or even in areas of great poverty, crime and drug use is higher. during many economic hard times or large lay-off you can see a spike in the drug use.

its extremely hard to implement what i want, but i am a firm believer that it would theoretically stamp out 99.9% of prostitutes.

why is it so hard to track the bad effects of prostitution on the women? because unlike physical abuse, its inumerable or at the very least extremely hard to track.

in the society i think of which i am thinking of, prostitution would almost disapear . but much like violent crimes and drug use, increaing the standard of living and such can only stop the problem to a certain extent. eventually, no matter how much you increase the quality of like (jobs, pay ect) there will always be a certain group (although now an extremely small one) who participates in that sort of activity.

but isnt it better to try and fix the problem that way? instead of regulating it and encouraging it (encouraging in the sense that by making it legal people can justify it as being ok)?

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by leangk

although i agree that prostitution will never go away, because "as long as theres supply there will be demand", however i strongly strongly believe that with the correct conditions (fair paying jobs for all), it can be stamped out into almost nothing. isnt that better than "legalizing it"?

I'm sorry - but, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get the "correct conditions" that you envision - unless, as I previously mentioned - you can meet the same income

One example: A beautiful young woman, a Prostitute, charged a man $5,000 for an evening of "companionship" - of course, the Governor of New York got caught but, that is not the issue

This young woman was getting $2500 to $5000 A NIGHT

Can you find "fair paying jobs" that will match that?

[Haaziq]

Originally Posted by leangk

i would choose to have my dignity, believe it or not. selling your body is one of the most discusting things out there. im not saying this because of a "moral" reason. but just imaging hundreds of random men, treating you like an object. the whole ordeal is extremely mentally damaging. your no longer a person, your an object.

and those women in the brothel are the lucky ones, if "lucky" can even apply to something so degrading. those women in the brothel also make up 1%, less? of the total prostitutes in the united states. the majority are beaten, use drugs, get STD's and so on.

do you honestly believe those women like working? are you serious? kinda like how porn starts like working too? despite we know that something like 90% and over were sexually abused as a child? ive seen the damage that causes (my friend was raped by her dad when she was a child), and the people who this happens too normally ( not always but alot of the time) go two ways. they become ho's which is extremely sad, or the cant be touched by anyone anymore.

the sad thing is my friend is an extremely great person, funny and kind. ut that has messed her up forever.

the fact is I was talking about Canada, where each year billions and billions of dollars keep going to food, safe "drug shoot up clinics" and shelter for homeless people. does this fix the problem? no its makes it worse. spending abit (or even alot ) more money would help these people soooo much more.

I know the Us isnt the same because its not as "socialized" as canada and there is alot more unemployment.

but i cannot believe for one second that these women are perfectly normal and happy when they have to sleep with these gross men for money. the idea is so degrading its sick

All I can say is if you actually believe that none of the women in prostitution or porn actually enjoy their jobs is that you are completely delusional. I remember watching a show a while back about brothels in Nevada. The girls they interviewed were perfectly fine. They enjoyed their jobs. The social and physical parts. None of them were mentally disturbed. They were just ordinary people. If you're against prostitution, that's fine, but don't try to bring some fabricated BS like saying they don't actually like it or started because they were messed up in the head from sexual assault into the discussion. It just makes it apparent you're desparate to win an argument.