Prostitution! How bad is it really? (lawyers, dollar, parties, economic)

[leangk]

Originally Posted by Greatday

I'm sorry - but, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get the "correct conditions" that you envision - unless, as I previously mentioned - you can meet the same income

One example: A beautiful young woman, a Prostitute, charged a man $5,000 for an evening of "companionship" - of course, the Governor of New York got caught but, that is not the issue

This young woman was getting $2500 to $5000 A NIGHT

Can you find "fair paying jobs" that will match that?

i know its impossible. its sorta utopian like... its extremely hard, if not impossible, to match the 5000 a night for someone who has no skills other then their beauty. its unfortunate but theres nothing i can do or should do (because no one is really getting hurt unless you can prove emotional damage on the objectified women)

some people see it as an intelligent way to make money and based on how much they are making it would appear smart. i see it as selling yourself out and objectifying yourself. id probably vomit nonstop just thinking of that happening to my body, but hey everyone has a price

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by leangk

i know its impossible. its sorta utopian like... its extremely hard, if not impossible, to match the 5000 a night for someone who has no skills other then their beauty.

The young woman in question was studying for her MBA - she was extremely intelligent - as are so many other of these young women (not all are as intelligent obviously)

Originally Posted by leangk

some people see it as an intelligent way to make money and based on how much they are making it would appear smart. i see it as selling yourself out and objectifying yourself. id probably vomit nonstop just thinking of that happening to my body, but hey everyone has a price

Living in Las Vegas - I have seen, with my own eyes, some of the classiest women offering to consummate a business transaction - it's a business -

[leangk]

Originally Posted by Greatday

The young woman in question was studying for her MBA - she was extremely intelligent - as are so many other of these young women (not all are as intelligent obviously)


Living in Las Vegas - I have seen, with my own eyes, some of the classiest women offering to consummate a business transaction - it's a business -

of course its a business for them, but so could theoretically taking handicapped children off parents who dont want them and murdering them. i know its extremely different but im just trying to explain that some things (for me prostitution is one of them) for me have no price. of course the murdering is worse but for me this objectifying is damn bad too. i dont understand how they could live with themselves and i think some people here couldnt either.

of course there may be some who can and thats understandable. but bascically, its not for me

[sterlinggirl]

Originally Posted by leangk

some people see it as an intelligent way to make money and based on how much they are making it would appear smart. i see it as selling yourself out and objectifying yourself. id probably vomit nonstop just thinking of that happening to my body, but hey everyone has a price

One night doing what married women have done throughout history pays $5K

or

You can spend five or six months of cashiering at wal-mart and having to kiss the *** of every idiot that comes through your lane, not to mention the fact that they won't let you go home for christmas or give you steady hours.

How about five months of working in a call center cubicle and having a coworker that never takes a shower?

Five months of standing on your feet all day every day on a nice hard concrete floor?

Five months flipping burgers in a 100 degree kitchen?

Five months of a demeaning and abusive boss?

Five months of listening to a hypochondriac drama queen coworker who has to tell you every little detail of her life?

Five months of not knowing whether you'll get laid off next week?


It seems like a simple choice.......

[leangk]

Originally Posted by sterlinggirl

One night doing what married women have done throughout history pays $5K

or

You can spend five or six months of cashiering at wal-mart and having to kiss the *** of every idiot that comes through your lane, not to mention the fact that they won't let you go home for christmas or give you steady hours.

How about five months of working in a call center cubicle and having a coworker that never takes a shower?

Five months of standing on your feet all day every day on a nice hard concrete floor?

Five months flipping burgers in a 100 degree kitchen?

Five months of a demeaning and abusive boss?

Five months of listening to a hypochondriac drama queen coworker who has to tell you every little detail of her life?

Five months of not knowing whether you'll get laid off next week?


It seems like a simple choice.......

look in the end its your choice, but for me, having your dignity, not being objectified and not suffereing the mental damage is worth getting paid less. but thats just my opinion.

now lets get to the many problems in your arguement.

what married women have done? excuse me if a women wants to get married and chooses to have sex, thats not the same as prostitution. theres a big mental difference, whether we realize it or not, when we have sex out of our choice, or when theres another factor that forces us to because of desperate times.

the walmart arguemnt. assuming that someone could only work at walmart. isnt feigning intrest(or kissing *** as you said for wal mart) in the fat, ugly, smelly client your about to have sex with similar? sure you can get alot more money, but that "im lower then you attitude" is still there. worse if not in the prostitution business. do you honestly think the men respect them? haha thats a joke. a fairly tale told to to people like us to make us beleive "its not that bad". that "trade" is constantly called "a business" why? because when it sounds legitimate, no one questions the damage it causes.

five months next to a showerless co-worker? oh k how amount 5 hours a day under differnt fat, hairy, stinky men, how didnt brush thier teeth? doing one of the most intimate things you can? thats so much better?

concrete floor? you talked about working in a cubicle then concrete floor (walmart i assume). its not the only job out there people. and i have dont that. to save up for france i went to highschool and worked 31 hours a week!!! at a store that sold furniture. I was the janator as well as mover. so please dont tell me about the harshness of standing all day.

flipping burgers. oh k ive never doen that but i heard its terrible.

5 months for a demeaning and abusive boss? now this is the point that really gets me. first of all your assuming here that only "walmart and macdonalds" bosses are demeaning and abusive. what if the brothel one is too? are most brothel owners nice amzing friendly men who are excellent to get along with and dont try and sleep with his employees on the side? pressuring them and if they dont fireing them? i dont know mybe or maybe not. but please dont try to imply that only one "work sector" has that sort of bosses. they are in high and low paying jobs. my gas station job sucked the bosses **** because were ********. but my landscaping/lawn maintence one rocked! so pelase dont make generalizations that. bosses in the "sex industry" porn producers and pimps ( i dont know about brothel owners) dont have the best reputation as "awesome bosses!!"

dramaqueen?? because being in a business this bascically 100% women all in this one building wont have dramaqueens? thats the silliest arguement ive seen here. at least with other jobs that may not allow you to talk nemuch, or a chance of having men and not women near you to "yammer" all day, a brothel is all women, close quarters. weakest arguement ive seen here so far

sooo all said. it doesnt seem like a simple choice. making more money, or having permanent pyscological damage as well as relationship issues (possibly) for the rest of your life. pretty damn hard question to me cosnidering the gravity of what you are doing. but it seems, not naming any names here.. some people here have alot less respect for thier body, and think selling it as a object to others is fine

[leangk]

sterlinggirl im not saying people like you who have that opinion dont have a good argument. just the ones you used with blatant stereotypes about certain jobs are completely unfounded and quite frankly untrue in most cases.

[SuSuSushi]

Originally Posted by leangk

sterlinggirl im not saying people like you who have that opinion dont have a good argument. just the ones you used with blatant stereotypes about certain jobs are completely unfounded and quite frankly untrue in most cases.

All your talk about objectification and being treated as an object is laughable. Frankly, who is objectifying whom here? Is it the man who comes and pays hundreds of dollars for no-strings-attached sex that is objectifying the woman? Or is it the woman who is getting the financial benefit of the deal who is objectifying the man?

Honestly though, does it really matter? The man is paying for something he wants, and the woman is willing to provide it for a price. It's simply a commodity like anything else. As long as both parties are adult and willing, there's no issue with it no matter how much you think it's "disgusting".

[cablejockey]

I agree with you leangk. I wonder if those who think its so easy to let dozens of strangers have sex with you could actually do it. I dont think the women are showing their real feelings about it, and do suffer psychological damage. Even in these so called enlightened times, prostitutes are not considered equal citizens. I cant imngaine anyone boasting about how much their daughter the hooker is pulling in every week, or bragging that their son is going to marry one!
Its a nasty business all way around, no matter how much money those involved make.

[Rathagos]

Okay... I'm stirring up the hornets nest here... but I'm trying to be honest. Guys, in many ways, pay for sex in one way or another. Most people meet because there is either a chemistry or attraction. That attraction has to be physical at some level... meaning I don't think anyone has said, that girl is dirt ugly to me, but I think she's really smart, I'll ask her out.

So, there is physical attraction. Because we still fall under the biological tree as "animals" we have impulses. Physical attraction begets the next step, which could lead eventually to physical intimacy. With that progression in mind, a prostitute asks for the money up front and knows where the relationship evolves into. Other women, want to be dated... wined and dined, if you will. And the man, attracted to her, may spend much more money over time to achieve the same results. So, in the cold callous way of my "neaderthal" way of saying it, we pay for sex one way or another.

The question comes into play, in my mind, in what is prostitution? In the most liberal sense, I imagine it's trading something for sex (normally money, but could be drugs or other). The woman on the corner trying to sell sex for crack is different than a woman who sells herself as an escort and has educated and refined herself. Although the outcome is the same, the means are differrent. To me, it's akin to a "businessman" who stands on a street corner with his "find the card" business and a Fortune 500 company executive. They both have the same outcome (to make money) they approach it differently.

[cablejockey]

If people feel this chemical attraction as all animals do, then by all means have sex. And as the animals do, no money exchanges hands. Two people enjoying themselves, having a good expreince, and thats it. You add money into the mixture and it all changes. Your'e not dealing with equals anymore, now one is the customer, one is the commodity.
If someone is with someone else, and the whole time they are keeping track of how much money is being spent on dates, dinners, gifts, and comparing that to how much sex is being put out--that's no real relationship. Thats a guy who is only looking out for the sex and begrudgingly forking over what it takes to get to where he thinks she now owes him her body for a few minutes. He should only be with prostitutes then--where everyone is on the same page.