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Old 09-24-2008, 08:43 PM
 
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artsyguy has possibly become the worst spokesperson for the gay community conceivable.

It is my personal belief that no one is born with any sexual orientation in particular, and that orientations are learned/developed over time. I base that on my own feelings/perceptions, and of course I could be wrong.
That's very interesting. Is this from a perspective of being gay yourself?
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Old 09-24-2008, 08:46 PM
 
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That's very interesting. Is this from a perspective of being gay yourself?
Personally, I don't put much stock in labels. I don't think they do us any favors. But I am attracted to both women and men, probably women more so. But my opinion isn't based solely on my own feelings.
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Old 09-24-2008, 08:49 PM
 
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Personally, I don't put much stock in labels. I don't think they do us any favors. But I am attracted to both women and men, probably women more so. But my opinion isn't based solely on my own feelings.
I'd love to read more about your opinion. Can't you point me towards material that has a similar point of view to your own? It's not one I hear very much about.
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:17 PM
 
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I'd love to read more about your opinion. Can't you point me towards material that has a similar point of view to your own? It's not one I hear very much about.
Hmm...I don't know. I'm sure that people like Eve Sedgwick and Judith Butler and possibly Michel Foucault would agree with me to some extent if not completely, but I tend to think they're full of it much of the time and usually can't stomach reading their articles. But I've taken a couple of classes in which this was discussed (I'm not permitted to use the word in this forum so I thought I'd post the link to the Wikipedia article instead) and a lot of what we touched on seemed in tune with what I already believed, though not all of it. I should point out, though, that there's so much more to that school of thought than whether or not sexual orientation is as simple people tend to think it is. That whole debate is only one component of it, and I couldn't begin to address the rest; it gives me a migraine. This is why I'm not an English or sociology professor or anything of the sort. I don't know if I've ever met anyone who feels exactly the same way I do...maybe my mom, but then again she's been listening to me talk about it for years so I might have just converted her. That, or she just doesn't feel like debating it. lol

EDIT: Wow. City-data won't even allow me to link to the article. This is a field of study at universities. Let me just put it this way--in GLBTQ, I'm the Q, and Q does not mean "Questioning" if you put "Q [with the other letters included] theory" into Wikipedia or Google, you'll come upon some similar viewpoints, I think.
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:20 PM
 
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Hmm...I don't know. I'm sure that people like Eve Sedgwick and Judith Butler and possibly Michel Foucault would agree with me to some extent if not completely, but I tend to think they're full of it much of the time and usually can't stomach reading their articles. But I've taken a couple of classes in which this was discussed (I'm not permitted to use the word in this forum so I thought I'd post the link to the Wikipedia article instead) and a lot of what we touched on seemed in tune with what I already believed, though not all of it. I should point out, though, that there's so much more to that school of thought than whether or not sexual orientation is as simple people tend to think it is. That whole debate is only one component of it, and I couldn't begin to address the rest; it gives me a migraine. This is why I'm not an English or sociology professor or anything of the sort. I don't know if I've ever met anyone who feels exactly the same way I do...maybe my mom, but then again she's been listening to me talk about it for years so I might have just converted her. That, or she just doesn't feel like debating it. lol
Building and bridges, the link isn't working. Are there any other websites I should check out. You can PM me. I'm very interested.
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:22 PM
 
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Born that way, just a little mix up between brain & body. Not an issue for open minded folks.

How exactly is it hurting and/or affecting your life? Get a hobby.

The gay lisp, however, is chosen. Maybe to belong to others of their own kind. Again, nothing wrong with that.
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:27 PM
 
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Did I say you are wrong? No. Who knows why they are gay and stayed gay.

As an adult you have the choice to say "Hm I was manipulated/abused as a child by an idiot and as an adult I am not going to be gay or buy into any of the manipulation". They have the choice to say that to themselves, and live a straight life. Adults have that choice or option or control.

If you are born gay like many gay people claim then you canot choose to be straight.

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Thy were all 3 molested as kids and none are molesters. Their molesters told them they were gay (part of their manipulation). Now they are all gay- coincidence? No possibilty their first sexual experiences, (which weren't their choice, they were just children) and the insistence of a trusted elder that they were indeed gay could have had an affect?
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:28 PM
 
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Isn't the gay lisp speech pathology and not much to do with homosexuality?

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Born that way, just a little mix up between brain & body. Not an issue for open minded folks.

How exactly is it hurting and/or affecting your life? Get a hobby.

The gay lisp, however, is chosen. Maybe to belong to others of their own kind. Again, nothing wrong with that.
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:29 PM
 
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Did I say you are wrong? No. Who knows why they are gay and stayed gay.

As an adult you have the choice to say "Hm I was manipulated/abused as a child by an idiot and as an adult I am not going to be gay or buy into any of the manipulation". They have the choice to say that to themselves, and live a straight life. Adults have that choice or option or control.

If you are born gay like many gay people claim then you canot choose to be straight.
Thanks Artsyguy. I'm gonna' go with buildingsandbridges on this. I think he has some interesting ideas. I can't wait to check them out.

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Old 09-24-2008, 09:34 PM
 
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I'm not debating with you or builiding bridges. I'm simply providing information from another view point (my view point) to anybody who wishes to read it. It isn't for you only.

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Thanks Artsyguy. I'm gonna' go with buildingsandbridges on this. I think he has some interesting ideas. I can't wait to check them out.
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