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View Poll Results: Would you be able to afford to Educate your child under a fully privatized system?
Yes 40 59.70%
No 27 40.30%
Voters: 67. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-29-2008, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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YOu can homeschool now.I'ts an option for any parent that wants to. The government doesn't say yuou can't!!

But homeschooling is not a realistic option for many families that must have 2 parents working to pay the bills.
TM - please check your spelling

Let me bring you up to date regarding home-schooling today:

First: Not all parents that work, work the same shifts. It's very common for one parent to home school their child AND work as well

Next: A non working parent, home schooling their child, also home schools your child. Again, not uncommon in the Home Schooling community.

Then: The Grand Parents. Grand Parents are becoming the fastest group of home schooling "teachers". It gives them a fantastic opportunity to have a wonderful and fulfilling influence on their grandchildren and it provides another great bonding opportunity.
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Old 09-29-2008, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Originally Posted by TristansMommy View Post
YOu can homeschool now.I'ts an option for any parent that wants to. The government doesn't say yuou can't!!

But homeschooling is not a realistic option for many families that must have 2 parents working to pay the bills.
Downsize. Buy only the ONE SUV, don't put wide screen TV's in every bedroom...etc.
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Old 09-29-2008, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Downsize. Buy only the ONE SUV, don't put wide screen TV's in every bedroom...etc.

YOu know nothing about me or what I have or don't have. Unless you can back up your assumptions with actualy facts.. then don't comment on MY life or what I own, don't own..etc.

Suddenly the middle class has this stereotype that quite frankly is BS!
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Old 09-29-2008, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Frankly, it has been shown that many American live on credit, and many of them have many material possessions.

I wasn't speaking directly to you, I was speaking to American culture. So...if the shoe fits, then wear it, otherwise, take no offense.
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Old 09-29-2008, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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TM - please check your spelling

Let me bring you up to date regarding home-schooling today:

First: Not all parents that work, work the same shifts. It's very common for one parent to home school their child AND work as well

Next: A non working parent, home schooling their child, also home schools your child. Again, not uncommon in the Home Schooling community.

Then: The Grand Parents. Grand Parents are becoming the fastest group of home schooling "teachers". It gives them a fantastic opportunity to have a wonderful and fulfilling influence on their grandchildren and it provides another great bonding opportunity.

Great Great and Great.. then they would fall into the category of those that DO have the option!

But..
a)Not all parents work on shifts. As a matter of fact, many have DAY JOBS
b) guess what.. not all grandparents are retired on living on SS.. some are working
c) and not all grandparents live near their children.

So... for those families that probably couldn't afford "privitized" schooling, the "well teach them from home" option is NOT an option.. THAT is the point!

If anyone wants to homeschool their child now they can. No one is stopping them. If it were so easy to do, as you like to make it out to be, more people would be doing it.

There is currently estimated to be 2 million homeschooled children currently in the U.S Google Answers: Homeschoolers in USA

out of approx 59 million school aged children in the U.S.
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Old 09-29-2008, 12:33 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Downsize. Buy only the ONE SUV, don't put wide screen TV's in every bedroom...etc.
This is what I've attempted to get across many times. There are many "middle class" families who claim they are struggling with finances, and wouldn't be able to afford private school. However, these are the same households with big screen plasma TVs, more than one vehicle in the garage, and all the other "in" gadgets. I don't believe for a minute that many of these families can't afford the tuition, books, and supplies on their own if they simply made sacrifices. My familiy did it, and we lived comfortably without taking a dime from the taxpayers!

On the other hand, it's really pointless to discuss anything with TristansMommy. She is dead set against privatization, and is adamantly closed minded to alternative ideas. Basically, she's a creeping socialist. Her mindset is taxpayers owe her for the act of procreation ... and what's scary is that a lot of people seem to have the same kind of mentality in this respect.
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Old 09-29-2008, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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I'm not even "middle class". I pay about $600 a month for rent, $100-150 a month on groceries. THat's like 90% of my income right there. But I'm taking care of TWO people on that budget. And a cat.
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Old 09-29-2008, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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This is what I've attempted to get across many times. There are many "middle class" families who claim they are struggling with finances, and wouldn't be able to afford private school. However, these are the same households with big screen plasma TVs, more than one vehicle in the garage, and all the other "in" gadgets. I don't believe for a minute that many of these families can't afford the tuition, books, and supplies on their own if they simply made sacrifices. My familiy did it, and we lived comfortably without taking a dime from the taxpayers!

On the other hand, it's really pointless to discuss anything with TristansMommy. She is dead set against privatization, and is adamantly closed minded to alternative ideas. Basically, she's a creeping socialist. Her mindset is taxpayers owe her for the act of procreation ... and what's scary is that a lot of people seem to have the same kind of mentality in this respect.
If being a socialist means that I actually care about other people and can see beyond myself.. than I'm proud to hold some socialistic views.

I'd much rather be called a socialist than selfish.

Caus this is not just about me. I may be able to afford it , maybe not.. notice that when I speak I don't speak of myself.. I actually think about the many familes that could not afford to educate their children.

But that's okay right? because you'll get to keep your $1100/ year
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Old 09-29-2008, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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How can you not afford to pass on your beliefs and values to your kids?
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Old 09-29-2008, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Right where I want to be.
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YOu know nothing about me or what I have or don't have. Unless you can back up your assumptions with actualy facts.. then don't comment on MY life or what I own, don't own..etc.

Suddenly the middle class has this stereotype that quite frankly is BS!
I don't know you so I won't speak to what might be your situation.

However, in my experience the 'middle class' has an ever increasing appetite for 'stuff'.

People who took a 2nd mortgaged on their house several years ago to support a failing small business. At Christmas wife gave hubby an expensive foreign car all while admitting they may never be able to retire. ??

People who owe mid 5 digits in student loans but buy new furniture on credit and wonder why they 'never seem to get ahead'. ??

Went to lunch with some folks recently....they tracked lunch expenses to the penny (written down in a little notebook) so as to keep the budget on track but then went out and spent $1600 on a new computer that wasn't even in the budget. This family has 3 large flat screen TV's and pay the extra for a cable box for each one...yet can't afford rising gas prices. ??

I know people up to their eyeballs in debt who refuse to shop at discount grocery stores or yard sales....and then complain that they can't stay home with the kids. ??

Every single example above is from a different middle class family.

Maybe it isn't you...but look around. Without debt and living below your means many people who 'can't afford' to stay at home could do just that.
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