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View Poll Results: Would you be able to afford to Educate your child under a fully privatized system?
Yes 40 59.70%
No 27 40.30%
Voters: 67. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-29-2008, 01:53 PM
Status: "Done with the 90s (hopefully)?" (set 1 day ago)
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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I'm not even "middle class". I pay about $600 a month for rent, $100-150 a month on groceries. THat's like 90% of my income right there. But I'm taking care of TWO people on that budget. And a cat.
I know what you mean. However, I really couldn't care less about economic classes. It's how people MANAGE their finances ... not really how much net income they bring in. If families want to be gluttons and have all those vogue new gadgets, fine with me. On the other hand, if they claim that they can't afford education out of their own pockets, they should give up their impulsive spending habits. If they continue to spend frivolously, but still put their kids in public schools, they are moochers!

TristansMommy sounds exactly like one of those parents who is sponging off the system. She claims that I'm selfish simply because I'm fed up with my tax money subsidizing kids who aren't mine ... but she is the selfish one for expecting handouts. It's no different from being a welfare mom as far as I'm concerned. I hope she's proud of herself for being a dependent on her nanny (the government) for the choices she has made!
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Old 09-29-2008, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Right where I want to be.
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If being a socialist means that I actually care about other people and can see beyond myself.. than I'm proud to hold some socialistic views.

I'd much rather be called a socialist than selfish.

Caus this is not just about me. I may be able to afford it , maybe not.. notice that when I speak I don't speak of myself.. I actually think about the many familes that could not afford to educate their children.

But that's okay right? because you'll get to keep your $1100/ year
It is socialist only if you think government is the answer to the problem. I don't. Some families would not be able to afford the education and in the same way that churches and private charities provide for the needy, so they would in this case too.

It reminds me of Joe Biden's comment that paying more taxes is patriotic. He has given a piddly amount of money to charities over the years but he has paid his taxes.

As a conservative, I do both. I pay my taxes because I have to, I donate to charitable causes because I want to help people. Do you think more people are helped by my tax dollars or by the money/support I give directly to food pantry and homeless shelters? Do you think my tax dollars would go farther to support education or do you think by donating directly to the school or educational causes that would make the most difference?

I think the answer is the latter in each of those situations and that doesn't make me selfish. Where does that leave Joe Biden? He is a liberal/socialist who thinks the answer is in government and I think the answer is in the PEOPLE. I want to keep as many of my dollars as I can to use for my famiy and my community and on a larger scale my country.
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Old 09-29-2008, 02:09 PM
Status: "Done with the 90s (hopefully)?" (set 1 day ago)
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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If being a socialist means that I actually care about other people and can see beyond myself.. than I'm proud to hold some socialistic views.

I'd much rather be called a socialist than selfish.
At least you admit it.
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Caus this is not just about me.
What the hell kind of word is "caus"? Oh, but you went through the public schools ... so I guess we should overlook your repulsive spelling. Perhaps you should "multi task" a little less, or tend to that kid of yours a little more. Isn't he more important than posting over 2,100 times on a discussion board?

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But that's okay right? because you'll get to keep your $1100/ year
It's better than being a sponger like you. To a point, it's even criminal the way you're robbing taxpayers of their money for things that you should be able to afford on your own.
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Old 09-29-2008, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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How can you not afford to pass on your beliefs and values to your kids?

and what does school have todo with passing on your beliefs and teaching your kids morals

See.. right there that's the problem..

It's not the job of the school to teach kids morals and beliefs. Their job is to teach kids history, math, science etc.

I went to public school and not all those in school had the same morals and beliefs my parents taught me. NOt all students that I send my child to school with will either.. and I don't expect nor do I want them to teach any of that to my kid..

I will teach him those things all on my own.. and i'm starting NOw so that when he is in school he'll know what's right and wrong.. and if he has any doubts he'll come to me to talk about it.
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Old 09-29-2008, 02:23 PM
 
Location: southern california
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sure you can. you can now and without debt. its called VE (vocational education) works great. also called GI bill.
but if you call a $180,000 cosign for a liberal arts education, with 50% flunk out rate, no, you won't be able to give that to your baby or a new BMW or trip to hawaii this year.
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Old 09-29-2008, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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At least you admit it.
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What the hell kind of word is "caus"? Oh, but you went through the public schools ... so I guess we should overlook your repulsive spelling. Perhaps you should "multi task" a little less, or tend to that kid of yours a little more. Isn't he more important than posting over 2,100 times on a discussion board?

I told you it's a typo not mispellng..I'm multi tasking and my brain works faster than my hands.. and I don't have time to check.. this is in informal forum so I'm a little sloppy..

It's better than being a sponger like you. To a point, it's even criminal the way you're robbing taxpayers of their money for things that you should be able to afford on your own.
Robbing implies that something is illegal.. and last I looked paying property taxes wasn't illegal!


I suppose I'll call you a sponger when you're collecting your Social Security check someday or taking medicare or medicaid that my son will be working and paying into to help you recieve.
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Old 09-29-2008, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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and what does school have todo with passing on your beliefs and teaching your kids morals

See.. right there that's the problem..

It's not the job of the school to teach kids morals and beliefs. Their job is to teach kids history, math, science etc.

I went to public school and not all those in school had the same morals and beliefs my parents taught me. NOt all students that I send my child to school with will either.. and I don't expect nor do I want them to teach any of that to my kid..

I will teach him those things all on my own.. and i'm starting NOw so that when he is in school he'll know what's right and wrong.. and if he has any doubts he'll come to me to talk about it.
There are public libraries too. But the point is to teach your kids YOUR version of the truth...not the government's.
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Old 09-29-2008, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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sure you can. you can now and without debt. its called VE (vocational education) works great. also called GI bill.
but if you call a $180,000 cosign for a liberal arts education, with 50% flunk out rate, no, you won't be able to give that to your baby or a new BMW or trip to hawaii this year.

Who is this post for and what is it in response to..

Never been to Hawaii..don't have time to take vacations and definately don't own nor plan to buy a BMW for my kid..LOL Actually I can't STAND it when I see a teenager driving such a car.

Nope.. my kid will get a beat up (but safe) junker like I had and he'll work a job after school to help pay for it ..just like me. That builds character, I think.. much more so than handing a kid the keys to a BMW.
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Old 09-29-2008, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Robbing implies that something is illegal.. and last I looked paying property taxes wasn't illegal!


I suppose I'll call you a sponger when you're collecting your Social Security check someday or taking medicare or medicaid that my son will be working and paying into to help you recieve.
I don't expect to ever collect it. I plan to work until I die. Hopefully, I'll keel over just as I punch out for the night.
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Old 09-29-2008, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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I know what you mean. However, I really couldn't care less about economic classes. It's how people MANAGE their finances ... not really how much net income they bring in. If families want to be gluttons and have all those vogue new gadgets, fine with me. On the other hand, if they claim that they can't afford education out of their own pockets, they should give up their impulsive spending habits. If they continue to spend frivolously, but still put their kids in public schools, they are moochers!

TristansMommy sounds exactly like one of those parents who is sponging off the system. She claims that I'm selfish simply because I'm fed up with my tax money subsidizing kids who aren't mine ... but she is the selfish one for expecting handouts. It's no different from being a welfare mom as far as I'm concerned. I hope she's proud of herself for being a dependent on her nanny (the government) for the choices she has made!
Valley Native,

the biggest "welfare" recipients are politicians and government workers.

All paid through taxes.
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