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Old 11-16-2009, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Houston/Heights
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being a teen mom myself i would say that if it was not for my baby i would not being pushing myslef to do better. and other teen moms agree that if it was not for their kids they would not be in college, working, or acting like grown ups like they are now.
Good for you. Keep up the good work.

 
Old 11-16-2009, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Houston/Heights
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The first responsibility should be that of our loose, liberal Government to force our loose, immoral Mass Media to stop promoting sexual immorality and glamorizing it ; America grooms sexual addicts and deviants starting at an early age . As far as the Teens today are concerned, if the girl gets pregnant , she can either keep the baby or give it up to a 2 parent family who will love and care for the child as if it were biologically theirs . This is always better than killing the innocent developing American while in the womb...which is supposed to be the safest place on earth. Unfortunately, we have a President who continues to make sexual hedonism prosper by keeping abortion clinics thriving as a convenient Ace-in-the-Hole . In summary, America is sewer of moral degradation which escalated about the same time God and his absolute moral laws were rendered dispensable and were viewed as antiquated .
Outlaw sex--that ought to do it. It works so well for everything else.
 
Old 11-17-2009, 06:02 AM
 
Location: New Kensington (Parnassus) ,Pa
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The first responsibility should be that of our loose, liberal Government to force our loose, immoral Mass Media to stop promoting sexual immorality and glamorizing it ; America grooms sexual addicts and deviants starting at an early age . As far as the Teens today are concerned, if the girl gets pregnant , she can either keep the baby or give it up to a 2 parent family who will love and care for the child as if it were biologically theirs . This is always better than killing the innocent developing American while in the womb...which is supposed to be the safest place on earth. Unfortunately, we have a President who continues to make sexual hedonism prosper by keeping abortion clinics thriving as a convenient Ace-in-the-Hole . In summary,
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America is sewer of moral degradation which escalated about the same time God and his absolute moral laws were rendered dispensable and were viewed as antiquated .
To some extent, you art right and it's getting worse.
 
Old 11-17-2009, 06:57 AM
 
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Outlaw sex--that ought to do it. It works so well for everything else.
Not outlaw sex ; but return it to how it was originally designed : For marriage only. And encourage and work with Teens on maintaining sexual purity and showing them what occurs when they resort to following a sexual hedonistic culture. (IE: Death by STD's , permanent STD's , people using people for a copulation then dumping them, take them to an abortion clinic to see what was sucked out of a womans womb , have them meet other Teens who are emotionally devastated from being used for sex, have them meet other Teens who are Mothers to learn of the hardships, etc...)
 
Old 11-17-2009, 07:21 AM
 
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What are the pros and cons regarding teen pregnancy? If you guys can list out the pros and cons so basically try to contradict yourself! What is your final verdict?

Pro

-The baby can fill the void of the teenage mother
-The baby can be someone to keep the mother company

Statements that would support this viewpoint

-Well, people were teenagers when they have kids back in the old days
-If you guys think a teenager is just a baby, then how does a baby have a baby? If you do believe in evolution and/or God, then why does not puberty starts at 18
-People say a teenager is a baby, well that is socially constructed, but it does not match up with human biology

Con

-Being responsible for the baby's well-being
-Financially responsible
-Not having time to enjoy other things

There are no "pros" regarding teen pregnancy. None.

Yes, there are teens who have gone through it, dealt with it, and used it as a basis for making better choices in the future.

But to say that there are "pros" is like saying there are "pros" to getting shot in the head - simply because there are people who have survived it and moved forward afterward.
 
Old 11-17-2009, 07:24 AM
 
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Outlaw sex--that ought to do it. It works so well for everything else.
Facetious answer, yes. But there's also a point.

Would we, as a whole society, not be better off if there were NO unwed teens having sex? It's not as though they need it to survive.

I know it's not going to happen, but the truth is, we'd all be better off - especially the teens.
 
Old 11-17-2009, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The first responsibility should be that of our loose, liberal Government to force our loose, immoral Mass Media to stop promoting sexual immorality and glamorizing it ; America grooms sexual addicts and deviants starting at an early age . .
The United States has the most rigid definitions of pornography in the western world, and the highest age of consent. In the USA, a media outlet can be fined millions of dollars for inadvertently allowing a nipple to flash on a live TV broadcast. The USA is the only country in the western world in which a person can be criminally prosecuted for having sex with a 17 year old woman. The USA is the only country in the western world in which prostitution is a criminal offense. Nanny controls on the internet is one of our few growth industries, as we strive to keep our population in babyhood until post-puberty, and even our drinking age is regarded by the rest of the world as ayatullic.

America is decades behind the rest of the world in loosening our Victorian attitudes about human sexuality. It is the American "guiltification" of natural sexuality that is largely responsibility for our inability to use and express sexuality in a grown-up manner.
 
Old 11-17-2009, 07:45 AM
 
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The United States has the most rigid definitions of pornography in the western world, and the highest age of consent. In the USA, a media outlet can be fined millions of dollars for inadvertently allowing a nipple to flash on a live TV broadcast. The USA is the only country in the western world in which a person can be criminally prosecuted for having sex with a 17 year old woman. The USA is the only country in the western world in which prostitution is a criminal offense.

America is decades behind the rest of the world in loosening our Victorian attitudes about human sexuality. It is the American "guiltification" of natural sexuality that is largely responsibility for our inability to use and express sexuality in a grown-up manner.
And how are things going for them over there in Europe?

How are the Netherlands doing, after legalizing prostitution? How is the fact that 80% of all Netherlands prostitutes are now just trafficked from other countries?

What problems have been solved, that did not create 10 other problems in their wake?
 
Old 11-17-2009, 08:01 AM
 
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I believe that the reason for very young motherhood in past generations was due to the shorter life span of humans in general. It wasn't until the last one hundred and fifty years that folks began living past the age of forty or fifty, save for the wealthy. So, in order to raise the children into adulthood, marriages were early.
As for puberty starting earlier, you can blame that on the foods we consume and high fat dairy products, and believe it or not, detatched parenting. Having sex at a young age also increases the chance for certain kinds of cancer, not to mention STDs. Early Puberty may be diet and attachment related - The Baby Bond
Chances are that the teen girl was trying to fill an emotional void by having sex in the first place, at which point, no baby will fill that void any more than the boy she was with. As far as the baby being companionship for the teen, WHAT? You obviously have not dealt with an infant. Teens minds are young, even if their bodies are not.
BUT you have remember that they talked about AVERAGE death age. That number had come to be when they included all the teen mothers who died in childbirth and all the other other things that killed young adults, which was much higher back them. If you look at my family tree all the way to the Mayflower, every generation had about a third of the people living into their 80's and 90's but there were MORE than a third that died under the age of thirty so that leaves a smaller than 30 percent that actually died between 30 and 50, but when it is averaged, that is where it it lies.

We try and figure out the emotional aspect of why teens get pregant. Problem is, our society dismisses teaching our children about hormones and WHY they want to have sex. It is natural. Their bodies are telling them to do it. History has taught us though that when we wait for our bodies to fully develop, the death rate lowers. No more marrying our daughters off by the time they are 16.

The only reason they are too socially and emotionally immature is because we make our teens that way. Back when it was culturally acceptable for teens to have babies, they were fully prepared for it. The reason today that our children are so immature is that we need more time to teach them everything we know academically, but spend far less time teaching them basic human skills.

For example, I ended up doing most of the cooking, cleaning, had a huge part of raising my brothers, and had to deal with real grown up issues as a teen. I was most definately had the knowledge needed to be a good mom, but emotionally I was messed up because of the abuse. If the abuse had not been there, I probably would have done just fine as a teen mom. But that is not what I wanted for myself.
 
Old 11-17-2009, 08:11 AM
 
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The only reason they are too socially and emotionally immature is because we make our teens that way. Back when it was culturally acceptable for teens to have babies, they were fully prepared for it. The reason today that our children are so immature is that we need more time to teach them everything we know academically, but spend far less time teaching them basic human skills.

For example, I ended up doing most of the cooking, cleaning, had a huge part of raising my brothers, and had to deal with real grown up issues as a teen. I was most definately had the knowledge needed to be a good mom, but emotionally I was messed up because of the abuse. If the abuse had not been there, I probably would have done just fine as a teen mom. But that is not what I wanted for myself.
You make a good point!

I know quite a few older women who were married when they were 17, and had a baby at 18 - and maybe even another baby at 19.

But 16-year old girls of 75 years ago were NOT like the 16-year old girls of today. Also, in some ways, society's expectations of 16-year old girls was a lot more simple and clearly-defined than it is today.


We're currently moving in the direction of people waiting until their mid-20s (at least) to have children. And I'm not sure that's all bad. My oldest is married & 24, and my baby is 18. And while my wife & I are more than happy to become grandparents, we're also more than happy to wait for that to happen - because right now it wouldn't be in the best interest of any of our kids to become parents.
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