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Old 11-08-2008, 04:49 AM
 
Location: Exit 14C
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If you want to know the VALUE of a service...let all those employed in that job go on strike. At the same time.

See if you're getting any gas at the gas station. Or a Big Mac and fries...etc.

Obviously, for them to HAVE jobs, people have placed value on them.
Or even worse--go without garbage pickup or a working sewer/sewage treatment system.
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Old 11-08-2008, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Middle Earth
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Heck no. Because you worked harder in school, invested more in your education, and made intelligent decisions in your life and career--all so you wouldn't be cleaning out septic tanks for a living.
Going to college is a decision but for some people it is not the best decision. Not everyone wants to or can go so you can not say not going to college it a bad decision Septic tanks need to be cleaned by someone unless you suggest let them fill up.
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Old 11-08-2008, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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Well, it does take an effort if you want to improve your situation. If you don't want to, no one is going to want to hear any whining about it.
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Old 11-08-2008, 02:19 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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If you want to know the VALUE of a service...let all those employed in that job go on strike. At the same time.

See if you're getting any gas at the gas station. Or a Big Mac and fries...etc.

Obviously, for them to HAVE jobs, people have placed value on them.

Yes they do place a value on them. That value is what they are paid. What is your point?
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Old 11-08-2008, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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That the value placed on them in terms of wages is artificial.
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Old 11-08-2008, 06:12 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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No it is not artificial. If you were worth more, you could simply do it for someone else who would pay you what you were worth. If two people offer the same service at different prices, the market will choose the cheaper one. That becomes the value of that service. Just like if you were over-paid and someone was able to do the same thing for less, you would be out of work.

Why don't the pinkos understand how a free market works? It really is quite simple. If you think that your boss or whatever does not pay you what you are worth, then it really is quite simple for you to do the same thing on your own and make more. I don't know where all these people get their silly notions.

Your worth in the end will always be dictated by the market. If you don't feel that an employer is sharing his profits "fairly", then you need to suck it up and start your own business. If you whine that you can not do that, well that is precisely why you are not worth what you think you are.
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Old 11-08-2008, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Middle Earth
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No it is not artificial. If you were worth more, you could simply do it for someone else who would pay you what you were worth. If two people offer the same service at different prices, the market will choose the cheaper one. That becomes the value of that service. Just like if you were over-paid and someone was able to do the same thing for less, you would be out of work.

Why don't the pinkos understand how a free market works? It really is quite simple. If you think that your boss or whatever does not pay you what you are worth, then it really is quite simple for you to do the same thing on your own and make more. I don't know where all these people get their silly notions.

Your worth in the end will always be dictated by the market. If you don't feel that an employer is sharing his profits "fairly", then you need to suck it up and start your own business. If you whine that you can not do that, well that is precisely why you are not worth what you think you are.
Strarting your own business takes a good amount of money which not every one has. So if everyone did start business who would employers have to work for them?
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Old 11-09-2008, 08:50 AM
 
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Opportunity cost. Risk vs. Reward.

If you believe you are not make'n enough, or should be paid more, then you can ask for a raise or find another job. But that may "cost" you, by adding more work for more pay, and it could be w/a company that may not be their in 5yrs.

Some ask for more pay as they feel "safe" at their current job and do not want to risk their security at another company.

There is alot of risk when starting a company, money, security, family time just to name a few. The reward should (hopefully) be more money, security, and possibly more family time in the future.

The problem I see w/"sharing the wealth" is that the reward will not be as great for some, so why take the risk.

Just a thought.
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Old 11-09-2008, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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Well, all I can say is..if I'm on a raft headed towards a desert island with you, a grave digger and a garbage collector, who do you think I'm throwing off the raft first?

No offense to you computer guys, but society would be in chaos without the dirty jobs guys and one or two less computer geeks would not even be missed.
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Old 11-09-2008, 12:25 PM
 
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In Florida it really does not matter if you do a dirty job or do a professional college educated job we all get paid the same crap low wages!
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