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Old 10-04-2008, 11:15 AM
 
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Americans have greater disconnections from each other than other cultures. With all of our technology, we don't have the intra-social bonds that other cultures maybe have to have to survive. Greater disconnections cause all sorts of social problems.
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Old 10-04-2008, 11:49 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Stating that a problem such as serial killers and such is more prevelant in the US than elsewhere is a touch misguided IMHO. These crimes are certainly reported on here more leaving a slew of similar crimes elsewhere in the world that no one hears about for various reasons. Violent crime is by no means a syndrome more specific here than anywhere else in the world, however , our law enforcement CATCHES more of these types here than other countries agencies and the court cases have more noteriety thus an illusion may be created that we have a bigger problem than other countries when , in truth , we have a better handle on said problem.
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Old 10-04-2008, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Yootó
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The Wikipedia source is dubious, but let's assume that statistically it is correct. If we use the list of the top 5 countries with the most serial killers it turns out to be:

1. U.S.
2. England
3. Australia
4. Germany
5. France and Japan

The only similarity I can think of from this list of all the countries is that they are modern and industrialized. If Japan were excluded, we could surmise that European roots are the problem. Perhaps the process of becoming an industrialized nation does create more of a disconnect in communities, and as people become less dependent upon each other they are more prone to kill each other.
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Old 10-04-2008, 11:26 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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I believe that the individualisation process (of the individual) would be impossible without industrialisation; that it is our technology which allows us to have more free time.
Unfortunately having more 'free' time somehow translates into becoming less socially aware.
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Old 10-05-2008, 04:53 AM
 
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Why do you think there is more school and workplace shootings in America than the rest of the world? Not to mention the abundance of serial killers?
There have been a number of shootings and other attacks at Finnish workplaces and schools in recent years. But those incidents are very rare and the media likes to play them up, you basically end up reading about every single incident that every happens in the US, making it appear to be a much larger phenomena than it really is.

Serial killers are found all over the world and the US doesn't have a monopoly on them either. Isn't there is a city in Russia that produces serial killers like Pittsburgh produces steel? And I've it heard it said repeatedly that Australia (and the city Adelaide specifically) has more serial killers per capita than any other city in the world.

Adelaide, "City of Corpses" the Crime Library - Crime Library on truTV.com

And on a lighter note, an ad for Dexter that was on Australian TV:


YouTube - Dexter Showcase Ad - Serial Killers in Adelaide
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Old 10-05-2008, 07:37 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Isn't there is a city in Russia that produces serial killers like Pittsburgh produces steel?
Those aren't serial killers but Russian 'special forces' in training.
The fact still remains that serial killing is predominantly a Caucasian activity and I do believe that the industrialization plays a big role in it.
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Old 02-25-2009, 01:11 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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[quote=stan4;5507358]First of all, I don't think reporting of crime in third world countries is very accurate. So you have to just throw all those countries out.I would agree with that. I'm sure there's a lot more serial killers in those countries, which you'll never read about in true crime books. On the other hand, it could be happening in any country. When I see all these Mexican day-laborers outside Home Depot, I oftentimes wonder if some day, we'll read about some serial killer who preyed upon these people (so, so easy to do) and one day they'll find a heap of corpses lying underneath someone's house somewhere. Someone who hated Mexicans.

I have read over 30 books on different serial killers, and in one book it was stated: The majority of serial killers are white. And if you look at that list on Wikipedia.com, lots of countries with white people.
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Old 02-25-2009, 01:19 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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It could be because in most countries in the world, the government has a monopoly on serial killing and mass murder, so it doesn't make it into the official crime reports.
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Old 02-25-2009, 04:44 AM
 
Location: NSW Australia
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And I've it heard it said repeatedly that Australia (and the city Adelaide specifically) has more serial killers per capita than any other city in the world.

Adelaide, "City of Corpses" the Crime Library - Crime Library on truTV.com

And on a lighter note, an ad for Dexter that was on Australian TV:


YouTube - Dexter Showcase Ad - Serial Killers in Adelaide

I think you'll find that Adelaide has the most serial killers in Australia, not the world. That's only going by the information that you provided though, so it could be true.

Yay another number one for Australia!!!! Not only do we have the most fat people in the world we have the deadliest city. In your face America...
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Old 02-25-2009, 07:48 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Why are serial killers and mass murders more prevalent in America?

Why do you think there is more school and workplace shootings in America than the rest of the world? Not to mention the abundance of serial killers?"
  • mass murders
  • serial killers
  • school shooting
  • workplace shootings
Germany and Japan used to have the title for mass murders. Do you consider Mexico a developed country? 6,000 killed last year, beheading, dismembering, etc. not sure what category that would fall into.
Reasons that contribute to all categories, disregarding creative statistics.
Judicial system -
  • wipes out criminal records of juveniles who turn out to be repeat offenders
  • does not enforce gun laws already on the books
  • Firearm safety course are not taught in schools as is fire safety, anti drug courses, driving, etc. Driving fatalities are the leading cause of death among teens.
  • allows proliferation of violent gangs via 'civil rights' laws. Approx 35% of gang members are what is known as "children", ages 15 to 17. Gang members tend to ignore gun laws. So pass all the gun laws you want. Not everyone subscribes to guns laws. Crimes are so heinous they can plead down firearm law violations by providing information on other criminals and crimes. Many of these gang crimes could be categorized as serial killings or mass murders.
  • "disrespect" has become a crime punishable by death in gangs and prisons which bleeds out onto our streets and schools.
  • Most crimes committed by a small percent of repeat offenders.
  • Prisons are the bastion of higher criminal education. Aside from unlimited crime instruction, prisons provide exercise equipment to allow the criminal to develop physically and overpower victims and make a struggle with police more competitive.
  • Sanctioned images on tv, movies and video games make behavior deviation seem normal. Without perspective this violence will manifest itself in some and not others.
  • Society promotes a lifestyle that dissipates family unity and stability. Both parents have to work, one parent families. Secular pressure/laws which diminish the impact of religion which has, in a 'secular' sense, stabilized society and provided a social reference standard that covers the loopholes in the legal system.
  • Violent gangs provide the 'community' or social reference that is disappearing in mainstream society. They set the community standards.
  • news media features these murders and gives excruciating details which becomes a trigger for the next idiot as well as providing how to instructions. Not a coincidence these murders occur in isolated clusters.
  • There seems to be a proportionate amount of deranged folks in most societies and the denser the population the more these pups stick out. Advocate groups always play with statistics and legal nuance to further their cause so take all claims with a grain of salt. Seems that "the ends justify the means" for most causes these days.
  • A like wise proportionate amount of simply stupid people that have cheated their Darwinian fate and lived to reproductive age.
I just pulled out my old circa 1960 Boy Scout manual and counted 5 ads for rifles and shotguns from Mossberg, Remington, Winchester, Savage and Marlin all major firearm manufacturers. Additionally there were 3 ads for air rifles and BB guns with several gun options as prizes for selling various items. There were even a couple of ads for axes. This was all marketed to 11 year old and up Boy Scouts and their parents, read that as fathers, for the most part. The Boy Scouts were not known for their murderous ways. What changed? Children had unabated access to firearms. You could go to Kliens or Sears dept store and buy any gun you wanted if you were over 18. The world was flooded with firearms. Today in NJ, for example, you need to be fingerprinted, release your medical records in the face of the latest HIPPA privacy laws, scrutinized by the FBI and have character references the police actually check. Redo all the above just to get a permit to touch a pistol during a potential purchase. In the presence of all these protective laws, What has changed? Firearms have not changed, so that is a constant in this equation. Their access is even more restricted today and we are drowning in more gun laws than ever before. What has changed?
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