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Old 10-06-2008, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Ottawa, Canada
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thank you zman for not being as ignorant as many atheists out there who seem to somehow lump christianity and islam together, even the extremes.

first of all, when a christian martyr dies, only he does it. When a muslim does he tries to take as many women and children with him. Let me think about what the "terrible extremist" christians have done recently....protested at gays funerals....and... protested!!! I dont like to insult the left (because im socialist but cant stand the lefts playdown like TrickyD is doing of terrorists), btu its clear youve been watching too many michael moore mvoies or soemthing

Ummm TrickyD, you obviously ahve never opened your eyes to any of the general american media, Family guy has time and time again made fun of jesus and god. Showing god as a bad father to jesus, showing god with a sniper rifle and so on. Also, the "perverted rapist priest" hasnt shied away from the big screen and can be seen in scary movie 3. Yet where are all the death threats and dead family guy cast?

Stereotyping is normal, btu saying stupid, unsupprotable things isnt. If you are beat up by say a skin head...three times... will you be that much more cautious the next time? The things that people like Karenbo dont understand is that she does it all the time. its a natural defence.

It always struck me how many people like (not all though) the positive stereotypes such as women ahve this 6th sense men dont, but hate negative ones..
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Old 10-06-2008, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Orlando, Florida
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If you listen to a comedy act where someone makes generalizations about their own race and all the people of the same race know EXACTLY what they are referring to and laugh....then obviously there is truth to some of the generalizations. I don't consider it racial profiling. I consider it culture oriented reality.

For a period of time my children and I lived in a trailer park. Guess what? Most of the trailer park jokes I hear absolutely correct and we still laugh at them in remembrance. It's all good.
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Old 10-06-2008, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Ottawa, Canada
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if you need more evidence of muslim extremism, recently the was the 6th brutal murder of a muslim women who was trying to "escape the muslim life". it was in the " latest headlines BBc tab in mozilla firefox and it shocked me". apparently all they were tyring to do is excape the suffocating grip of their fmaily and husbands and were killed, according to the families and murderers, for trying to "live like a westerner". Even small muslim children who were interviewed nerby were "not suprised". of course christians do that all the time because they are tyring to 'escape the christian life..."
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Old 10-06-2008, 03:32 PM
 
Location: CO
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A stereotype, by definition, is an oversimplified idea or image of one group held by another. Of course there will be some people who will fit the stereotype but many more who will not. More often than not, stereotypes are used to denigrate. I think that there is no worse insult you can give than to tell someone what their identity is. You are ___________ so therefore you must be ________________. Who are we to define someone else's identity for them?

That might not be your intention, but every time you engage in stereotyping that is exactly what you are doing. I also agree with Clay Lady that you will tend to find what you are looking for. If you look for bad in people you will find many examples, but the same will hold true if you look for the good. I prefer to spend my time looking for the good.
Very well said.

If Americans didn't spend so much time stereotyping each other and focusing on our differences, we would be able to propel ourselves further than anyone can imagine. Unfortunately, we don't seem to have the strength or desire to come together and help ourselves get past this issue. We seem content with always being several steps behind the rest of the civilized world in this regard, which is baffling.
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Old 10-06-2008, 04:42 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by zman0
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Strange, I don't recall any extremist Christians or Jews in the United States killing anyone for speaking out against their religious beliefs.
I guess I would agree with you if Kennedy, Malcolm X and MLK are only killed by the government.
Malcolm X and MLK became 'dangerous' political figures to the white establishment because they were able to unite and mobilize the black community.
I don't think the KKK liked that very much.
And Kennedy became too much trouble to the organized crime (read: the Italian Catholic Mafia).

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Do you have any support for this, or are you just stereotyping people who have extreme religious views?
I only have the fact that people who have 'extreme ideas' like Kennedy, Malcolm X and MLK usually are killed because those in power (whether they're the government, organised crime or whatever) don't like true revolutionary change.

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I would postulate that there's a glaring difference between Radical Christianity and Radical Islam.
All radicals (or extremists) are the same; all extremists believe that only their philosophy/religion is the only true philosophy/truth.
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Old 10-06-2008, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Pikeville, Ky.
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As long as people carry predjudice towards ,blacks, Indians, gays and lesbians and people less educated, or anyone else whom they think they are superior to, we will continue to be stereotyped..
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Old 10-06-2008, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
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As long as people carry predjudice towards ,blacks, Indians, gays and lesbians and people less educated, or anyone else whom they think they are superior to, we will continue to be stereotyped..
Does that include Wall Street bankers and Congresscritters? Cause I know of a LOT of people superior to the current crop of them.

Stereotyping is a lazy man's shorthand to keep from having to think too hard. A stereotype is a lot like an editorial cartoon. The one I made above has humor because there is a certain element of truth in it for a lot of people. Making a general value judgment based on a stereotype almost always gets people into hot water. What makes the water boil is reinforcement of that stereotype by others.

Women aren't wise enough in the ways of the world to vote. All of the Hollywood community are red commies. Oops! Bad stereotypes.

Sometimes a stereotype is an important shorthand. If you see gang colors of a gang you are fighting, a stereotype can save your life.

Stereotype is a word, nothing more, nothing less. Sometimes the particular stereotype fits better than other times.
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Old 10-07-2008, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Pikeville, Ky.
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Does that include Wall Street bankers and Congresscritters? Cause I know of a LOT of people superior to the current crop of them.
"You betcha, sixpack"
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Old 10-07-2008, 06:28 AM
 
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I guess I would agree with you if Kennedy, Malcolm X and MLK are only killed by the government.
Even taking this as true, which I am not because it's absurd, this is not an example of "radical Christians" or "radical Jews" killing someone. The motive you are ascribing to "the government" is not based in religion.

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Malcolm X and MLK became 'dangerous' political figures to the white establishment because they were able to unite and mobilize the black community.
I don't think the KKK liked that very much.
And Kennedy became too much trouble to the organized crime (read: the Italian Catholic Mafia).
So the KKK killed Malcolm X and MLK? I thought it was the government?

I'm getting confused.

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I only have the fact that people who have 'extreme ideas' like Kennedy, Malcolm X and MLK usually are killed because those in power (whether they're the government, organised crime or whatever) don't like true revolutionary change.

All radicals (or extremists) are the same; all extremists believe that only their philosophy/religion is the only true philosophy/truth.
So your answer to the question would be "no."
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Old 10-07-2008, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Aiken S.C
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For a thread on stereotypes there sure are a lot of sterotyping going on.
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