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Old 10-23-2008, 11:08 AM
Location: Lake Arlington Heights, IL
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Then you believe that who ever was president that the US would have invaded Iraq, and grossly underestimated the task at hand and got us bogged down for decades?
In HINDSIGHT the war takes on it's own perspective. But if President Gore had done nothing at all- no Afghanistan, no Iraq, it could have been much better. Or we could have had more attacks. Saddam Hussein personally said (if memory serves me correctly here)he wanted nukes, but the sanctions set him far behind. He was then asked, "Why didn't you allow inspectors to verify this and stop the invasion?" Saddam"Because I didn't want the Iranians to know." I truly have mixed feelings about invading Iraq. But I really don't like "hindsighters" who leave out what was happening before we invaded. Makes the decision a lot grayer viewing it in real time than it does in hindsight.
And if President Gore had just lobbed some cruise missles at Tora Bora like Clinton did after our embassays were attacked? Maybe better, maybe worse.
Now I will agree that that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield screwed up the "victory" BIG TIME. I asked my friends "Where is the Marshall Plan to rebuild the country?" It was done on the fly, pulled out of their behinds and brave soldiers died because of that.
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Old 10-24-2008, 10:39 PM
Location: in my house
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Does it matter?
In the long run, not really.
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Old 10-24-2008, 10:53 PM
Location: SF Bay Area
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I think it does to a great degree. This country has for centuries been hampered by the 1000 lb gorilla in the room: Race. We are fortunate to have before us a great man in Barack Obama who can effectively address this cancer like no previous president in history and certainly in a manner that a white president never could. I believe that he is the only man as president who can find a way to get all black people to strive for a higher calling, perhaps even high academic achievement. He will certainly make it very uncomfortable for those whites who still practice racism to continue to do so in a favorable environment.

He is a great problem solver and will address and resolve the problems that plague this nation in the same manner that he used to prevail not only against the heavily favored Clinton, but against a white candidate in McCain. The man has been given less consideration all of his life because he is black and he knows how to excel and overcome. This is invaluable. We are fortunate. His decisions will be rooted in fairness and the ability to see both sides.

McCain offers more of the same one-sided, stale approach to problems. He doedn't even want to talk to certain people unless they agree to "pre-conditions." This is ludicrous. These show-downs, stare-downs, power plays, and "shock-and-awe" demonstrations are outdated and have no place in a world where respect and cooperation can yield better results.
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Old 10-25-2008, 03:15 PM
Location: Windsor, Vero Beach, FL
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Yes ... it does matter. However, half of Americans will be happy and the other half unhappy with the choice. The psyche of American citizens and how they react to whomever is elected and how our economy bounces back should play out rather interesting.

On a global standpoint, again with the economy as a factor, I'm guessing we are not too popular. With the way the US economy has effected the global markets I'm sure international opinions are just as heated as they are here as to who wins.

Hopefully we can all take a deep breath and just move on November 5th!
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Old 10-25-2008, 09:31 PM
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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in my mind, yes this election it does indeed make a difference. If you have the house, congress, supreme court and presidency controlled by one political party, you have the makings for disaster. Having a varied political system in our federal government makes for sane debate, and keeps balance in order
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Old 10-29-2008, 09:13 AM
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Default Lies, Lies and more lies part 2

Originally Posted by elvislives View Post
Ask yourself this same old crap for 4 years or something diffrent?
Ok, I am taking your challenge. I am asking myself & NO, if McCain wins it will not be 4 more years of the same. Reasoning??? Here it is:

#1 McCain voted with his party only 89% of the time. He is more NON PARTISIAN THAN OBAMA. Period. End of story. We have a DEMOCRATIC congress - we NEED a Republican President to create balance against FAR LEFT PC adjenda. Pelosi & Reed are FAR left & when they get their puppet in the White House, you can bet you will get HIGHER TAXES, more GOVERNMENT control, MORE social welfare and SLASH defense spending, putting our TROOPS at risk for more lives lost as well as civilians - leaving our Nation vunerable to terrorist attacks. Obama's first 100 days - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

#2. OBAMA voted with his party 97% of the time. Check out Factchecker.org. FactCheck.org: FactChecking Obama
People better think about what can happen to our country if ONE party controls it! SOCIALISM comrade!!

#3. Bush's approval ratings hover at a record low of 25% to 27%, but do does Congress's approval ratings. Bush will be gone, but Congress will be sticking around. Congress's ratings are at a low of 14% today. http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/guests/s_595644.html

SO, 4 more years of the same crap you ask?? ABSOLUTELY - if OBAMA wins!
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Old 10-29-2008, 09:30 AM
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This may be the most important election of your lifetime. Read & educate yourself BEFORE you vote!! It is critical. If you think that the Democratic congress with an all time low approval rating of 14% is going to bat for you over the next 4 years with a Democratic president, YOU ARE FOOLING YOURSELF!

Democrats will CONTROL EVERYTHING! How does this sit with you? Nancy Pelosi with 25 more seats in the house & her bud Harry Reid could have a filibuster-proof majority of 60??? And they will have this POWER with a crappy approval rating of 14%!!!???? WAKE UP AMERICA!! Only YOU can stop this from happening! Only YOU can keep FAIR balance in Washington! Only YOU can vote to stop Congress from failing America again!!


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Old 10-29-2008, 09:39 AM
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Default If obama wins it will be a dictatorship

Originally Posted by mrstewart View Post
One man cannot do a darn thing by himself in DC...to change anything he has to have senate and congress behind him...afterall, this is a democracy and not a dictatorship. Nope, doesn't matter.

Why are we giving COMPLETE CONTROL to the PARTY that has a 14% approval rating? WHY??? Give me one rational explanation.

This will be a dictatorship under PELOSI, REID & OBAMA. Mark my words COMRADE~!


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Old 10-29-2008, 09:43 AM
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Someone made an excellent point that I need to clarify.
The use of the colors red & blue - they are to symbolize the colors of our Flag & of the Democratic & Republican parties, in no particular order. Sorry if they look like I am angry - I just feel very patriotic & this is an election year.
Thanks for the comment - I truly appreciate your feedback
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Old 11-04-2008, 08:49 AM
Location: Heartland Florida
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As long as a Democrat or Republican is in the white house it does not matter. The only way that the President can make a difference is if he is fully independant or at least from a party of principle like the Libertarians. In my view the President should be upholding the oath to defend and protect the Constitution and veto all errant legislation. The puppets we currently elect will do no such thing and the downward trend of using the Constitution as a doormat and toilet paper continues in earnest. Most people foolishly want a Leader when the system was designed so citizens could use the Constitution as their guide. The president should be telling the truth to the public but since the masses are largely uneducated, it is never done for fear of a revolution starting once the people realize how their "leaders" have stolen from them for decades.
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