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Old 11-22-2008, 02:43 AM
 
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The bad parts of the right such as racism, nationalism. All of that is to the right.
In case anyone besides me happens upon this: there is no such thing as a universal "left-to-right" mapping of political philosophy. Furthermore, it is an absurdity to state that racism or extreme nationalism is "right wing" or "conservative." In America, for instance, "conservatives" seek to conserve the ideals of America's founders, including the inculcation of virtue in civil affairs, popular sovereignty, and the rights to life, liberty, and property. That is for all Americans.

Concomitantly, economic freedom requires that the state not control business, while it provides for the freedom of conducting business, so that we are not manipulated unduly by intrusions including monopolistic practices or the intervention of foreign powers. So, as for "nationalism," American political philosophy includes maintenance of the people's freedom, and general welfare, regarding individually sovereign Americans and the national sovereignty of America as paramount, along with a natural interest in the freedom and welbeing of others and their nations. (Nations are nations for a reason; see "Tower of Babel.")
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Old 11-22-2008, 03:28 AM
 
Location: Everybody is going to hurt you, you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for-B Marley
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Nazism was/is based on Christian identity like the KKK, systematically demonizing all who do not fit the mold (like the modern day right).
Correction! Based on people who hide behind the name of Christianity! Not all who call themselves Christian are. I know that's disappointing for those who like to demonize Christians but that's a fact.
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Old 11-22-2008, 09:09 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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I know that's disappointing for those who like to demonize Christians but that's a fact.
It is a fact that when I say that Christians aren't saints I'm not demonising them.
It also is a fact that most Nazis are Christians, but the majority of Christians aren't Nazis.
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Old 11-22-2008, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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This is quite an interesting thread. I'm curious, does anyone here know the actual history or the original Aryans and where they came from? Hitler was an ignorant man. He ripped off most of his beliefs and and symbols from the original Aryan tribes of Persia. Swastkias were a good luck symbol to them which Hitler ripped off and now swatiskas have a negative connotation in the western world, whereas originally they were positive energy and still are in other parts of the world.
I was quite ignorant of these original tribes until I married my husband who is an actual Aryan (brown skinned and brown eyed, Zoroastrian. Nothing blonde or blue eyes about him! ). If you haven't read up on the real, orignial Aryan tribes and the significance of their symbols in Hitler's regime, it's worth a read. There is nothing racist/socialist about them.
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Old 11-22-2008, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Heartland Florida
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The Nazi "Aryan" ideal was fabricated to justify their goals. I think of Aryan as being Indian, not the tall blond haired people they wanted. The concept of socialism is repulsive to me and when racism is added, it just makes me sick. However, the idea of perpetuating White people and being proud of European white heritage is a good thing in my view. The bad comes with the hate of other races. Hate always destroys from within, so a system based on the hate of others always fails. While the hate of Jews was based on the actions of a few greedy ones, it escalated into a ridiculous campaign that destroyed many loyal Germans based on their ancestry. It is also a shame that the swastika a symbol of good luck became a symbol of insanity.
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Old 11-22-2008, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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In case anyone besides me happens upon this: there is no such thing as a universal "left-to-right" mapping of political philosophy. Furthermore, it is an absurdity to state that racism or extreme nationalism is "right wing" or "conservative." In America, for instance, "conservatives" seek to conserve the ideals of America's founders, including the inculcation of virtue in civil affairs, popular sovereignty, and the rights to life, liberty, and property. That is for all Americans.

Concomitantly, economic freedom requires that the state not control business, while it provides for the freedom of conducting business, so that we are not manipulated unduly by intrusions including monopolistic practices or the intervention of foreign powers. So, as for "nationalism," American political philosophy includes maintenance of the people's freedom, and general welfare, regarding individually sovereign Americans and the national sovereignty of America as paramount, along with a natural interest in the freedom and welbeing of others and their nations. (Nations are nations for a reason; see "Tower of Babel.")
I congratulate you, unspun, for such an intelligent statement here and I see that it was your very first post to this forum; BRAVO! I wish that all Americans had such a positive view of our citizens. Sadly, it appears to me as if those who lean left tend toward a sameness not unlike Hitler's Germany.
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Old 11-23-2008, 03:04 PM
 
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The terms "left-wing" and "right-wing" are obsolete and useless.
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Old 11-23-2008, 11:21 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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This is quite an interesting thread. I'm curious, does anyone here know the actual history or the original Aryans and where they came from? Hitler was an ignorant man. He ripped off most of his beliefs and and symbols from the original Aryan tribes of Persia. Swastkias were a good luck symbol to them which Hitler ripped off and now swatiskas have a negative connotation in the western world, whereas originally they were positive energy and still are in other parts of the world.
I was quite ignorant of these original tribes until I married my husband who is an actual Aryan (brown skinned and brown eyed, Zoroastrian. Nothing blonde or blue eyes about him! ). If you haven't read up on the real, orignial Aryan tribes and the significance of their symbols in Hitler's regime, it's worth a read. There is nothing racist/socialist about them.



The original Aryan tribes lived in central asia and spread into Europe and SW asia about 5000 years ago. Most modern European and the Sanskrit language have elements pointing to a common root believed to be the Aryan language. One related language is Farsi and in Farsi iran means Aryan. Hence present day Persians pay homage to their Aryan roots by calling their country Iran. This makes them like the Turks as a non-semitic people living in the Middle East.
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Old 11-24-2008, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Memphis
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an old family friend of my family knew a man who used to be member of the swedish SS that fought in Russia during WII He was in a tv interview and he said that they were a socialist party, not right wing.
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Old 11-25-2008, 09:26 AM
 
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In the end national socialism ( which is what thew nazi called it) ;communism ans socailism are rthe same thign when you get down to what they do. They basically control evryhting by having the stae take over all means of produtio0n and the prrduct of that production. They then distribute it as they see fit.They controll thought much as politcal corretness does but they have other means such as imprisonment and death penalties. The more governamnt the more likelyhood of this type of control. Of course those that are the elite at the top in these systems do live like the peole but they do evryhting in the peoles name.
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