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Old 10-14-2008, 09:23 AM
 
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I see a lot of posts talking about the "left wing" or the "right wing," analogizing either side to "Communism" or "Nazi/Fascism" respectively.

I question the analogy between Nazism and the term "right wing," as it is commonly used. Looking at some of the political positions of the Nazi party, they are more in line with modern liberalism than modern conservativism.

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We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood.

That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.

The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers

We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberatepolitical lies and disseminate them through the press.

In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.
The Rise of Hitler - The 25 Points of Hitler's Nazi Party

Given these platforms are generally opposed by modern Conservatives (considered the "right wingers"), isn't it inappropriate to equate "Nazis" with "far right"?

In fact, many of the policies outlined in the 25 points should best be described as "nationalist socialism," which would be left of center, more towards Communism than conservative thought.

Your thoughts?

edit: I'm not saying that all liberals are Nazis, some of the positions of the Nazi party are deplorable and to suggest that any political affiliation could embrace these by proxy is highly inappropriate.
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Old 10-14-2008, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
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The modern-day Left does not like to admit it, but both Nazi-ism and Communism are/were socialist and so should IMHO.properly be considered Left Wing and not Right Wing.
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Old 10-14-2008, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Ottawa, Canada
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yeah nazism was definently socialism. although the "political spectrum' is actually more like a "political both". the nazis had a number of social programs, unions, an extremely stong central government ect.

the left parralels nazis so much some times its scary....
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Old 10-14-2008, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by zman0 View Post
I see a lot of posts talking about the "left wing" or the "right wing," analogizing either side to "Communism" or "Nazi/Fascism" respectively.
Yes, it was the National Socialist Party, or NAZI Party for short. They were left-wing elitists who fostered nationalism to further an agenda.
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Old 10-14-2008, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Ottawa, Canada
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the left in France scare me.. they are the spitting image of the nazis. they claim to fight, fascism, the right and so on. but they wish to oppress opposing voices.

during the election of nicolas sarkozy they had wide scale protests. thats right,. they were showing their support for segolene ( the other candidate) but rather their hate for sarkozy. bascically saying "vote democratically! as long as its for our candidate!".

they have massive, often violent protests and basically want to tear down the democratically elected government. They 'hate" the right, and try to silence it as much as possible.. despite the fact that we know "free speech should be free", even for the haters
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Old 10-14-2008, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Southeast
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Fascism/Nazism was defined as National Socialist. So, in that aspect they are Left wing governments. Even though Communism and Fascism came across as bitter enemies and the exact opposite of each other, they were one in the same.

Of course, this was what, 60+ years ago? The political spectrum certainly has changed. It is ignorant to associate modern Right Wing members with Fascism, just like it is inappropriate for us to remind everyone that the Democrats used to be the racist slave owners in the 1800's.
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:34 PM
 
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Exactly...

The Nazis were SOCIALISTS....National Socialist German Workers Party....the NSDAP....or "NAZI's"
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Aiken S.C
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Your thread has made me think and you know the go green birkenstock wearing tree hugging peta members do remind me more of Nazi's, but so do the right wing nut jobs too..Hmmm conspiracy ????
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Old 10-14-2008, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Montana
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It is interesting that public perception of Nazism is compared to the more radical beliefs on the far right of the political spectrum. Both because the Nazi's were not a religious group, and the stregnth behind them was built on something completely different than what is taught in schools these days.

I think people are taught to think of Nazism as racism, without ever digging any deeper. Even the swastika itself means something completely different, but the Nazi's took it as a symbol of their party and public perception of it has been held as something evil.

Look at the "peace" symbol. (I'll give a rep point to the person that can give the actual name of it.) The public perception of symbols and even ideals can be very different than what they really are.

I'd like to go on, but I'm being paged... hope to dig deeper in this thread later.. Great topic.

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Old 10-14-2008, 09:01 PM
 
Location: southern california
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in part i agree. the 3rd reich preached constant concern about the left, (communists) also their greatest ally the brown shirts (like NRA) really believed in the 3rd reich right up til the time the black shirts (like blackwater) swept down and arrested and executed their leaders.
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