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Old 10-16-2008, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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It's predictable, unfortunately... Today (10-16) the BBC announced that many industrialized Euro countries say they won't now be able to meet their commitments to meeting new emissions and carbon footprint obligations over the next few years.

How convenient ! Actually, the US has the potential to use this situation to force our trading partners to meet those critical commitments if they want to keep trading with us. China or Russia for example. It would potentially turn our trade deficit around legally and quickly, and would keep China and Russia from spending the money we send them on their military buildup. Which will eventually face off with ours.

We must also force the issue in this country (USA) and make sure our automakers and other large-scale industrial polluters think ahead in their future climate-change planning and technologies. Why not; it will create jobs, technologies, a strong sense of national pride and self-worth, as well as that indominable American self-righteous swagger we all love to parade

Agree? Disagree?

Last edited by rifleman; 10-16-2008 at 02:36 PM.. Reason: typos, clarity
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Old 10-16-2008, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Ottawa, Canada
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ill agree kyoto is BS. why is it that industrialized nations like the Us, Canada and England, must (if they go over thier ccarbon spending quota, which is almost guaranteed unless they plan on putting thier economies in an even bigger reccession) buy tokens of china and india (who as developing countries do not need to use thier chips and can spend as much as they want. even though china is bound to be the richest country in the world soon? how does this make sense,

or how does the Kyoto accord even plan to reduce emmisions if the makers of it made it so countries(as i already said) can just buy credits form developing countries and continue polluting the same?? thats the BS of it all.

Did you know the warmest period in the past 2000 years was the middle ages? did you also know theres been times in the world's history where there was ten times the amount of Co2, and ten times less, and yet this had no effect on temperature?!?!?! is it only this new 20th century CO2 that effect temperature. its BS
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Old 10-16-2008, 03:03 PM
 
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China and India have no intention of meeting their commitments and Russia pollutes almost as bad as China.
Luckily the global warming trend seems to be subsiding with the reduction of the solar flare output and we might be heading into a colder period like we had in the 1970s. Bad for home heating prices, but good for the polar bears and glaciers.
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Old 10-16-2008, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Ottawa, Canada
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the funny thing is in the 70's there was the 'global cooling" scare. such prominent canadian scientists like David Suzuki were quick to jump on the bandwagon. now guess whos on the "global warming" bandwagon? Suzuki again!!!!!

as Icy tea said, solar flares have alot more to do with the temperature then 'carbon dioxide". why are people so stupid that they cant even realize the sun has the largest impact on our temperature (obviously) and the massive disagreement about whats happening should be proof.

some scientists in Russian even believe that the world is cooling!

i know the large majority of stupidd, opera watching americans have been won over by the global warming 'crew'. an assortment of unqualified people speaking about soemthing they never studied, and using thier image to further thier opinion (using thier image rather than thier knowledge). this includes, leonardo dicaprio, al gore, opera, david susuki (a zoologists although this does not rule him out. hes probably the most qualified of the group)
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Old 10-17-2008, 11:19 AM
 
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There is so much politics involved in the whole climate change thing that it is polluted itself.A scamble of universiies;scientist and companies to pollute the data for financing from government.Then their are the politicans themselves who are eben less able to really talk about sciences without their talking points than they are about the economy.
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Old 10-17-2008, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
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We've been keeping records on our climate for what, a hundred and fifty years? We know that the earth is about 4 BILLION years old, and has gone through numerous ice ages and heat ups! I don't believe that this current climate is human-controlled. This is a natural earth cycle...and there's really nothing we can do to change it. It's bigger than we! And perhaps, it's SUPPOSED to warm! (Or cool!) Some things are just bigger than man!
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Old 10-17-2008, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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It's predictable, unfortunately... Today (10-16) the BBC announced that many industrialized Euro countries say they won't now be able to meet their commitments to meeting new emissions and carbon footprint obligations over the next few years.

How convenient ! Actually, the US has the potential to use this situation to force our trading partners to meet those critical commitments if they want to keep trading with us. China or Russia for example. It would potentially turn our trade deficit around legally and quickly, and would keep China and Russia from spending the money we send them on their military buildup. Which will eventually face off with ours.

We must also force the issue in this country (USA) and make sure our automakers and other large-scale industrial polluters think ahead in their future climate-change planning and technologies. Why not; it will create jobs, technologies, a strong sense of national pride and self-worth, as well as that indominable American self-righteous swagger we all love to parade

Agree? Disagree?

Completely agree.. and I believe that Obama is committed to that.
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Old 10-17-2008, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Frankly - who cares

The whole "global warming" issue is bunk anyway -
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Old 10-17-2008, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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such prominent canadian scientists like David Suzuki were quick to jump on the bandwagon. now guess whos on the "global warming" bandwagon? Suzuki again!!!!!

Actually it's hard to fly into, say, Chicago, LA, Bejing or Paris, see the extent of concentrated human activity and not think that it's at least possible that we are having some cummulative effect.

as Icy tea said, solar flares have a lot more to do with the temperature then 'carbon dioxide".

Icy Tea may or may not be right.

Some scientists in Russian even believe that the world is cooling!

i know the large majority of stupid, opera watching americans have been won over by the global warming 'crew'. David susuki (a zoologists although this does not rule him out. hes probably the most qualified of the group)
No it doesn't rule him out; he is, first off, a scientist. A scientist with a big ego I will grant you, because he's been in front of the camera for so long, and he believes that anything he thinks or says is probably better thought out than yours or my ideas, but nonetheless, he's a good scientist (PS: I'm also a zoologist and went to the same univ. as him!)

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Frankly - who cares
The whole "global warming" issue is bunk anyway -
Well, let's not just write it all off. If it's true, or if we are contributing to changes, shouldn't we take a conservative approach and do something?

My problem is that the whole "carbon credit" thing is probably a money making scam. Along came some measured global warming coupled with some over- concerned liberals, and someone said "Hey! We can make some real money off this scare! Let's do it!"

We do need to go at this sensibly, review the options, and be conservers as just good common sense. Surely you guys don't want to just press on as we have in the past? A bunch of smoke-belching coal power plants? Freighters out on the high seas flushing their bunker crude oil tanks out into the ocean?

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Old 10-22-2008, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Orlando, Florida
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We've been keeping records on our climate for what, a hundred and fifty years? We know that the earth is about 4 BILLION years old, and has gone through numerous ice ages and heat ups! I don't believe that this current climate is human-controlled. This is a natural earth cycle...and there's really nothing we can do to change it. It's bigger than we! And perhaps, it's SUPPOSED to warm! (Or cool!) Some things are just bigger than man!
You are so right.

It came out in the news last week that the glaciers were actually growing and thickening in the middle due to record snow falls and cold in Alaska.

Instead of people going into some prozac-zone, they need to realize the earth goes through set cycles....all by itself.
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