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Old 06-19-2010, 12:45 PM
 
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Government intervention is not the solution, it just makes the problem worse... education won't cure the ghetto, the educated are smart enough to leave the ghetto which makes the ghetto even worse... there is only one solution... hard work... it will take the residents to actually BE neighbors instead of just living next to so-and-so... clean-up your neighborhood and be a part of your neighborhood, if you don't, the ghetto mentality will move on in... not amount of government is going to help a ghetto unless you stopped being ghetto... and no amount of money is going to stopped you from being ghetto... if you want to stop being ghetto by being involved with your neighborhood then do it instead of begging for money cause that's what a ghetto would do....

We use to have poor working people . Even our poor had a better life and future than most world citizens . These people were ehalthier than today also . Few had diebetes, heart and other illness because of too much leisure time .

When you go to a ghetto, you see people with cell phones, tvs , and many are wel dressed . This is not poor . I know what por was and is and this aint' it . This is poor lifestyle choice .

Why do poor people have better care than middle class ? Why do the working poor have less ?

This will never change for the better, our leaders have been determined to bring down this nation for 60 yr.s now .

I watched the movie ' Bobby " last night. Bobby and his familiy were very rich, ye they kept getting richer while taxing Americans into the poor house to bring in cheap labor and immorality . Now our whole leadership is corrupt and the socialist agenda has escalated to the point of no return .

 
Old 06-19-2010, 12:52 PM
 
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The answer is quite simple.

If you want someone to get out of poverty, give them an education. So if you want someone to get an education, make it visibly rewarding. And here's how:

In the projects, getting an education is among the most aspirations that is looked down upon. This comes from all parts of a lower-income inhabitants, the old people, the middle-aged people, and especially the young people. Some kids who want an education even face physical threats, let alone verbal and social threats from their peers.

So the main solution is for the people in the projects is to get an education, but not just talk-the-talk, do the walk. Have families exalt their smartest and most successful youth to a highly honorable status while at the same time, rebuke, shame, and even banish slackers and troublemakers from their family. Have peers to praise their educated and dishonor their slackers; this ranges from embracing the most smart individuals in social cliques, not seeing intelligence as something "corny," "lame," or "white," and not just using them to help you with your homework. But the most important thing to this is a young female's response. Young females in the hood reward anti-social behavior en masse, and this causes many young males to perpetuate such behavior for impressing their opposite sex if nothing else. To give an example, who gets the most @ss in the hood? Who gets the most attention from chicks? (and BTW, this attention isn't just from hoodrat broads). Compare that to an inverse example in Asian communities, where their females at a young age embrace their nerdy and geeky male counterparts in all kinds of way, from platonic to sexual! This is what a lot of people in the ghetto (and honestly, this is what blacks females in general need to do in insurmountable numbers) to reverse the effects of not only of the recent catastrophe in the black community, but the effects of centuries of atrocities, lower the number of single-parent households, and increase the number of married black women.

B*tching about others not compensating for centuries of oppression has done nothing, so what is there to lose? And think about this: Once these steps are taken, especially the change of attraction in black females, when success is reached, you don't have to answer to nor thank anyone else for your success!

Wrong ! Being poor is not just black thing . Many of all races were poor ,includign the whites . Many worked in coal mines, share cropped and other factory and labo intensive jobs .

What hurt the black is the black who made it a career to program them of their impossible situation . Jews have always being persecuted even worse today in some ways . yet they worked hard and overcame .

Instead of listening to real leaders like MLK, they listen to rich hustlers like Jackson, Sharpton , Ted kennedy , Bush , Carter , clintons ,pelosi and many others who keep gettign richer while the poor keep getting poorer and more abused .
 
Old 06-19-2010, 12:59 PM
 
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That is a BIG part of what is necessary. What would happen if, for instance, every vacant house in some blighted area was sold with a "no property tax for 5 years" guarantee?

There probably has to be more than just Good Samaritan motivation to drive such neighborhood revitalizations.

More room to lay up collect welfare and breeed . Until the attitude and the morality changes not amount of money will help. We have already gave so much many live better lives than working people. Time to stop the dependency and make them suffer the consequinces of their actions . Only then will things change , it has only gotten worse the other way .

Yake a good lok at the section 8 homes they live in . Full of drugs gun battles and kids without fathers and in some cases mothers,. .
 
Old 06-19-2010, 02:21 PM
 
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More room to lay up collect welfare and breeed . Until the attitude and the morality changes not amount of money will help. We have already gave so much many live better lives than working people. Time to stop the dependency and make them suffer the consequinces of their actions . Only then will things change , it has only gotten worse the other way .

Yake a good lok at the section 8 homes they live in . Full of drugs gun battles and kids without fathers and in some cases mothers,. .
I'm talking about incentive for people FROM OUTSIDE BLIGHTED AREAS to buy houses and move in.

And yes, as a landlord, I am fully aware of Section 8, what it does to people, and what people who receive it do to their apartments & houses. That is why I will NEVER accept Section 8.
 
Old 06-19-2010, 07:41 PM
 
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I guess if you can make a ton of money selling drugs, whats the incentive to leave the ghetto?
More to the point, if I can make a ton of money selling drugs, what is my incentive to stop selling drugs and get a job? The kid making money in the 'hood selling drugs looks at the older folks (30-50 years old) going to work every day and barely making ends meet, and says to himself, "Those old heads are a bunch of suckas. They're busting their butts every day on a job and I'm making more in 1 day than they make in three weeks. Why should I go to school to get some no-paying job???".

I'm not saying that this is the way it should be, but that's the way it is.
 
Old 06-19-2010, 08:02 PM
 
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More to the point, if I can make a ton of money selling drugs, what is my incentive to stop selling drugs and get a job? The kid making money in the 'hood selling drugs looks at the older folks (30-50 years old) going to work every day and barely making ends meet, and says to himself, "Those old heads are a bunch of suckas. They're busting their butts every day on a job and I'm making more in 1 day than they make in three weeks. Why should I go to school to get some no-paying job???".

I'm not saying that this is the way it should be, but that's the way it is.
You're right, that IS the way it is. A good friend of mine, who is a reformed felon, has often remarked that he used to make more in one day than he now makes in a month.

Of course, one of the many down-sides of dealing drugs is that the majority of people who get into it end up dead before they're 25.
 
Old 06-19-2010, 11:46 PM
 
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I often wondered if black people had pulled together in a different way back during segregation, that things might have been a lot different today.

I know that blacks were not given the equal chances and that’s why organizations like the NAACP were needed, however my thoughts have always been if the Blacks had said to each other (with the help of those inspirational leaders they had like MLK);

“Hey lets use this segregation to our advantage, let us create our own schools and neighborhoods and economies and make them so damn good that one day those damn honkies will beg us for our money, our products, and our participation in their lily white world”
Then the blacks setting out and creating such a dream and making it a reality so that when you went to a bus station the colored bathroom was so much nicer than the white restroom.

No even taking it further, and saying “Yes We Can” and creating their own bus company and building their own bus grand terminals that had opulent bathroom facilities and even quilted toilet paper and free breath mints after you washed your hands.

Yes then going into the ghettos and saying, “This isn’t acceptable for ‘OUR’ people” and tearing them down and building a planned community that was nicer than the best planned communities out there and erecting a huge sign out front “FUBU Falls Community” or something similar.

No, this is only a thought, a dream, a lost wish as the reality is the ghettos are there because most people that live in them have a “I don’t give a Moderator cut: language attitude, now where’s my cheese” while a Black man with determination sits in the white house

Actually, black people did pull together during the reign of segregation. We had no choice because we knew that we were all we had. For the most part we were all in the same boat; excluded from the mainstream, ostracized socially, oppressed economically, and even psychologically, by white society. Keep in mind that the "I don't give a damn..where's my cheese." attitude is a result of our being distracted from focusing on what is best for the black community as a whole. With gradual changes in our economic and social conditions as a people, our focus changed from a community focus to an individual focus, as you alluded to in your post. Also recall that there was a period in this country during which white-run businesses consciously put it's employees in harms way, even if it cost the life of that (white)employee. Garrett Morgan invented the Gas Mask, which was desperately needed in the coal mines to protect miners from methane and other gases. This was considered a tremendous step forward in mine safety and infinitely more effective than using a Canary to measure gas levels. When mine owners learned that this was the invention of a black man they cancelled their orders. Their employees continued to die in the mines from methane gas poisoning in spite of there being a tool available to prevent these deaths. They didn't want our products, no matter what the cost not to have them.

It's one thing to have a dream and a plan; it's something else to be able to fund that plan and have the support of the institutions that make it possible (or impossible) to help bring that dream to reality. Without the support of financial, construction, and permitting institutions we could never build those opulent "Colored Only" bus station bathrooms you speak of. We did strive to have our own and to take care of our own. If you study the social programs sponsored by the Black Panthers, you would learn about what they were doing for the community, particularly for the children. The Nation of Islam has always promoted self-sufficiency, education, and independence from the white power structure.


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I really like this post, but you didn't have to conclude it like you did. You expressed a wonderful vision of black empowerment and then p***ed on your own creation. Now, with a black man in the White House and more green in the black man's pocket than there ever has been, is the perfect time to realize this dream. It's not too late to build FUBU Falls Community and establish predominantly black schools that out perform white ones. I can imagine a future where white people are fighting to get into the "good" black schools. Can you?

The funny thing is if the black community acheived such a marvelous accomplishment, I bet you'd be surprised by how many of us honkies would be proud of what you did. And just for some historical reference, black people have proven themselves capable of this kind of rapid uplift in the past. I was surprised to learn that the public school system as we know it in the South was basically built by freed slaves. Research that lilly white school in Tennessee, and you might be shocked to learn that it was once a black school built by black people, for black people. And it was so successful that jealous whites stole it.

This isn't the 1880s. If blacks built schools like that again, the law would protect what was rightfully theirs.
Maybe I'm too jaded to envision white people clamoring to get into good black schools. I do acknowledge that there are white students enrolled in and graduating from Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs), but they make up a very small fraction of college-going white population. Historically, black people have proven themselves time and time again - in the military, in education, in science, in business, in every aspect of modern society. We simply are not, and in my estimation, will never be, accepted as equals by white society, no matter what our accomplishments. Yes, we have a black man in the White House today. I see this a more a function of the mess that Bush made of this country, and Palin sending the McCain campaign down in flames, than a true measure of the acceptance of blackness.
 
Old 06-30-2010, 03:34 PM
 
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Default We will always have poor people

We will always have poor people because we will always have low paying, low skilled work that MUST be done. We will always need maids, janitors, landscapers, retail workers, fruit and vegetable pickers, home health aides, day care workers and such because these are jobs that cannot be offshored. Also there will always be low-achievers, unmotivated persons, and lazy folks among us.

Low wage workers and others have to live somewhere so low income neighborhoods [or the inadequate and loaded term "ghettos"] are vitally necessary.

There really are two issues: 1) repairing the blighted areas and 2) changing the thought processes and behaviors of the residents so that the neighborhoods don't become blighted all over again and to reduce crime and other social ills.

Fixing up the streets and buildings in and of itself won't work.

The thought processes and behaviors of the people who live in low income neighborhoods must be altered.

Young children are malleable but adult behavior is hard to change which is why people struggle with addiction and why the recidivism rate is sky high.

We must first admit that we will always have poor people--always!

We must focus our efforts where we are most likely to see some success--young children!

We must realize that everything that is new is old--this issue has always been with humankind and always will be.

C.
 
Old 07-01-2010, 05:53 AM
 
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I'm talking about incentive for people FROM OUTSIDE BLIGHTED AREAS to buy houses and move in.

And yes, as a landlord, I am fully aware of Section 8, what it does to people, and what people who receive it do to their apartments & houses. That is why I will NEVER accept Section 8.


There is really NO incentive to get me, or most people I know with children to move into what you call "blighted areas" because they're more dangerous to live in, they're full of scum and drug dealers, and I prefer NOT to live next door to gang bangers who want to party and sell drugs all night and leave their MD 20/20 bottles in my yard for me to pick up when I actually get up to go to work the next day.
 
Old 07-01-2010, 08:09 AM
 
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There is really NO incentive to get me, or most people I know with children to move into what you call "blighted areas" because they're more dangerous to live in, they're full of scum and drug dealers, and I prefer NOT to live next door to gang bangers who want to party and sell drugs all night and leave their MD 20/20 bottles in my yard for me to pick up when I actually get up to go to work the next day.
That's kind of an extreme case. But yes, there are neighborhoods that are beyond hope, and the best thing that can happen is for the tenement buildings to be razed.

On the other hand, there are a lot of city - like Omaha - where there are some great old neighborhoods that are kind of "teetering on the edge" of being too far gone. They're by no means ghetto, but they're not what they should be.

It's these neighborhoods where incentives for owneroccupiedhouses could really pay off. Incentives such as extremely low-interest mortgages for houses in substandard areas (last I checked, it was 1.75% in parts of Omaha), property tax breaks, and improvement grants can all help.
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