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Old 10-20-2008, 09:31 AM
 
Location: West Texas
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Can someone give one good argument as to why pot should not be legalized? I can't think of anything, the potential benefits as I see them are:

1.) Reduced speeding on law enforce related to pot.
2.) Tax revenue from growers and retailers which currently pay no taxes. You could also add additional taxes to retail sales much like the sale of tobacco products.
3.) Reduce drug related crime.
4.) Reduced the number of dangerous individuals coming into the country to smuggle drugs.
Hey.. great idea. And while we're at it we can legalize cocaine, crack, theft, robbery, and ever murder. People can apply for licenses to kill (which we'll tax to make more money), and then we can notify potential targets, so they can enrich the economy more by buying guns and alarm systems for protection, or even pay for body guards (which could even affect the unemployment rate)!!

Imagine all the money we'll save law enforcements. All they'll have to do is speeding tickets, but we'll keep that illegal because that can generate it's own money!
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Old 10-20-2008, 10:09 AM
 
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Hey.. great idea. And while we're at it we can legalize cocaine, crack, theft, robbery, and ever murder. People can apply for licenses to kill (which we'll tax to make more money), and then we can notify potential targets, so they can enrich the economy more by buying guns and alarm systems for protection, or even pay for body guards (which could even affect the unemployment rate)!!

Imagine all the money we'll save law enforcements. All they'll have to do is speeding tickets, but we'll keep that illegal because that can generate it's own money!
You honestly need to do some research if you are comparing pot usage to the heavy drugs, theft, robbery, and murder. I don't smoke pot but feel it should be legalized. It's safer than alcohol, you can't overdose from it, you don't become violent on it or forget what you are doing (blackouts), would clear out our overcrowded jails, could be taxed and help our economy, hemp would be a great alternative to make many products, and it would stop the insane amount of money law enforcement spends on it when they should be placing their time/energy into more pressing areas. Don't be naive and say that getting licenses to kill is comparable to smoking pot. Do some better research and don't twist things around into distortions.

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Old 10-20-2008, 10:23 AM
 
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The only people that thinkl pot should be legalized is those that want to make tax money off it and those that are addicted. Yes their addicted just like cigarettes. We would certainly be much better off if cigarettes and alochol was illegal, They creat untold problems and cost beynd theirmedical cost. Add another addiction to the list is not the answer.Ask anyone that is addicted and they will tell you it makes them make poor choices in lfe and like alcohol keeps them from accomplishing waht they could inlife withoutt eh addiction.
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Old 10-20-2008, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Montrose, CA
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The only people that thinkl pot should be legalized is those that want to make tax money off it and those that are addicted. Yes their addicted just like cigarettes. We would certainly be much better off if cigarettes and alochol was illegal, They creat untold problems and cost beynd theirmedical cost. Add another addiction to the list is not the answer.Ask anyone that is addicted and they will tell you it makes them make poor choices in lfe and like alcohol keeps them from accomplishing waht they could inlife withoutt eh addiction.
Caffeine and sugar are more addictive than pot. When a pothead can't get his daily toke, he doesn't go through withdrawal. Sure, he may be annoyed that he can't have his buzz, but he doesn't have physical withdrawal symptoms. Caffeine on the other hand -- take away a coffee addict's coffee and they have problems with sleeping, headaches, irritability, et cetera. Take away a sugar addict's sugar fix and they suffer from fatigue, cravings, et cetera.

So by your standards we should outlaw caffeine and sugar as well. Good on ya, there.
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Old 10-20-2008, 10:57 AM
 
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Can someone give one good argument as to why pot should not be legalized? I can't think of anything, the potential benefits as I see them are:

1.) Reduced speeding on law enforce related to pot.
2.) Tax revenue from growers and retailers which currently pay no taxes. You could also add additional taxes to retail sales much like the sale of tobacco products.
3.) Reduce drug related crime.
4.) Reduced the number of dangerous individuals coming into the country to smuggle drugs.
I Think that are many reasons. I feel that legalizing the drug would encourage childre to use pot and I thought we were all campaigning for drug free youth? I do not think to highly of pot or any other drug.
If I remember correctly at one point in our history Cocaine was used in cough elixirs and even put into our pop. Opium was not illegal either, it wasn't until addiction and adverse effects of abuse began popping everywhere that they became illegal and under the 'Tax law" I believe that was the first ways that it became illegal and thats when the DEA was established.
Right now the laws are so vague on medical marijuana use that bascially anyone who finds the right MD can get a card. The laws vary as to how many plants a medical user can have if there is not a dispensary in their immediate area, now the laws are changing to include more pot if the medical user has a caregiver? Bah!
This is abused and will continue to be abused until we can regulate this further with a clear plan.
My reasons? Abuse
I have a neighbor who stated to me when they moved in that he grows MJ because he is a medical user, to this day he has different stories as to why he needs it. I went over to the home to give them some mail that had been wrongfully given to us and he seemed proud and stated, "Come and look" in the backyard he had a shack he built filled with over 20 immature plants" blacklights to encourage growth and so forth. I said nothing and left. I know for a fact that he has way too many.
I know October is when they harvest and he has friends at all hours of the day come over (traffic) is high around his home (and all these people look shady. I guess he pays them in weed to help him trim the plants and dry? ewwww. They use pot everynight and you can smell it in our neighborhood. Their 11 year old daughter bragged to my child and to other children "My step dad has a bunch of pot plants" "you guys want to come and see?" I told my son to stay away from that home. I have seen teenagers come and go from his house at odd times of the day when they should be in school, I observed one boy (16) years old getting high in the garage (The garage door was open). His GF gets high all the time and goes to work high (useto work with her at the same office) she had the characteristic red eyes and low lids and was calm and giggly, completely against the law especially being in the medical field. She drives high, she stated that work is so stressful that she goes home and gets high on her lunch break. She comes home and gets high first thing I have seen her and then gets in her car and drives with all 3 children in her car.
Because he gets high he has no use for the prescribed meds he gets from the Md, Percocet, hydracodone and oxycontin, these he useto sell to the neighbor who recently got kicked out of her home. This drug state we live in is dangerous and you ant to legalize it?
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
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See, if it were legal, you wouldn't have those problems with your neighbor! He'd go to the store, buy it, use it, and you wouldn't have the traffic coming through your neighborhood!
I think alcohol is worse than pot---think drunken bar fights! That would never happen with a bunch of stoned-out folks! They tend to be pretty laid-back and easygoing!
Pot has nothing to do with mis-use of the pain pills---totally different thing!
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:08 PM
 
Location: West Texas
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You honestly need to do some research if you are comparing pot usage to the heavy drugs, theft, robbery, and murder. I don't smoke pot but feel it should be legalized. It's safer than alcohol, you can't overdose from it, you don't become violent on it or forget what you are doing (blackouts), would clear out our overcrowded jails, could be taxed and help our economy, hemp would be a great alternative to make many products, and it would stop the insane amount of money law enforcement spends on it when they should be placing their time/energy into more pressing areas. Don't be naive and say that getting licenses to kill is comparable to smoking pot. Do some better research and don't twist things around into distortions.
Ah... but good sir/ma'am. You have obviously missed the point of my post. When is something "bad" enough to be considered illegal or non-illegal? There are many that can make the same points about other drugs as you did about marijuana. Where did you find that it doesn't cause blackouts? How many people are in jail for marijuana possession or selling only? If you are naive enough to think that any large percentage of jail/prison populations are consisting of only marijuana-related incidents, you are sadly mistaken!! So, the lunacy of that statment stands on it's own!

I do, however, favor some legalization for any drug that a doctor sees will assist in treatment. My mother's friend has Lupus (sp?), and I know she smokes pot medicinally. For reasons like that, where a medical doctor can substantiate the need of his/her patient, then it should be legal for that patient... in the doses dictated. Other than that... where's the line? Cocaine doesn't cause "blackouts" all the time.. neither does alcohol. Everything when used to excess is bad. Shoot.. diabetics that eat too much candy can get blackouts. Should we take candy off the shelf?!?

Simple question... and the point of my post (that was obviously missed, even in it's simplicity through sarcasm), when is it enough? When do we say "it shouldn't be legal"?
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:19 PM
 
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Ah... but good sir/ma'am. You have obviously missed the point of my post. When is something "bad" enough to be considered illegal or non-illegal? There are many that can make the same points about other drugs as you did about marijuana. Where did you find that it doesn't cause blackouts? How many people are in jail for marijuana possession or selling only? If you are naive enough to think that any large percentage of jail/prison populations are consisting of only marijuana-related incidents, you are sadly mistaken!! So, the lunacy of that statment stands on it's own!

I do, however, favor some legalization for any drug that a doctor sees will assist in treatment. My mother's friend has Lupus (sp?), and I know she smokes pot medicinally. For reasons like that, where a medical doctor can substantiate the need of his/her patient, then it should be legal for that patient... in the doses dictated. Other than that... where's the line? Cocaine doesn't cause "blackouts" all the time.. neither does alcohol. Everything when used to excess is bad. Shoot.. diabetics that eat too much candy can get blackouts. Should we take candy off the shelf?!?

Simple question... and the point of my post (that was obviously missed, even in it's simplicity through sarcasm), when is it enough? When do we say "it shouldn't be legal"?
Rathagos, while I typically respect your opinions, I really can't agree with you on this one. If you live in a country that supposedly exalts the notion of individual freedom, how is it your business what a grown person does on his or her own time with his or her own money? As long as minors are not involved and the person in question does not endanger life and property, then I fail to understand how the public interest is strong enough to intervene.

Personally, outside of a friendly bi-monthly Texas Hold'em game, I don't gamble. I work too hard for my money to throw it away. On my last business trip to Las Vegas, I spent precisely one dollar in a video poker machine. I think people who gamble, particularly at casinos, are hapless dupes who are doing real and lasting damage to their financial security, their families, and themselves. That being said, it really isn't up to me to stop them from doing it.

So which group of bluenoses gets to decide what we as a society can't do? After all, not too long ago, contraception was outlawed in this country, as were alcoholic beverages, and Sunday retail. Yet these are things we as a society accept today.
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:25 PM
 
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Ah... but good sir/ma'am. You have obviously missed the point of my post. When is something "bad" enough to be considered illegal or non-illegal? There are many that can make the same points about other drugs as you did about marijuana. Where did you find that it doesn't cause blackouts? How many people are in jail for marijuana possession or selling only? If you are naive enough to think that any large percentage of jail/prison populations are consisting of only marijuana-related incidents, you are sadly mistaken!! So, the lunacy of that statment stands on it's own!

I do, however, favor some legalization for any drug that a doctor sees will assist in treatment. My mother's friend has Lupus (sp?), and I know she smokes pot medicinally. For reasons like that, where a medical doctor can substantiate the need of his/her patient, then it should be legal for that patient... in the doses dictated. Other than that... where's the line? Cocaine doesn't cause "blackouts" all the time.. neither does alcohol. Everything when used to excess is bad. Shoot.. diabetics that eat too much candy can get blackouts. Should we take candy off the shelf?!?

Simple question... and the point of my post (that was obviously missed, even in it's simplicity through sarcasm), when is it enough? When do we say "it shouldn't be legal"?
Sorry, but there are a significant amount of pot users in jail only beause of pot releated offenses........some info and statistics of pot offenses:
Marijuana crime outnumbers violent crime@Everything2.com
Marijuana Arrests at All-Time High, Far Exceed Violent Crime Arrests
Drug War Facts: Marijuana
http://www.norml.org/pdf_files/NORML...discretion.pdf

The amount of pot arrests is quite high and believe the time/energy/money could be better spent on more dangerous violent crimes.

Myths and Facts about Pot:
Myths and Facts About Marijuana

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Old 10-20-2008, 01:29 PM
 
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If you have ever smoked pot and been really high you know you cannot drive safely, there is one good reason there.
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