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Old 11-10-2008, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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No matter what happened MLK kept believing in the initial goodness of humanity; that whenever others struck him he simply turned the other cheek.

But I guess it takes real courage to stop projecting your own worst fears on others and trust them instead?
Sorry Bubba but - when a gun is pointed at a loved ones head - turning the other cheek, or remembering Ghandi is not going to help or saved that loved one

Fast, decisive action will.
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Old 11-10-2008, 07:58 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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I am not surprised however you are incapable of understanding the difference
And I'm not surprised that Americans don't trust their own government and / or army.
That they want their citizens to be armed in case their government or army turns on them.
I mean if ya can't trust your own government and army how can you trust other governments, right?
It seems that distrust and paranoia is a normal state for Americans.
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Old 11-10-2008, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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And I'm not surprised that Americans don't trust their own government and / or army.
When it comes to personal safety, my government and/or Army is a non-issue
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Old 11-10-2008, 08:23 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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When it comes to personal safety, my government and/or Army is a non-issue
As long as it doesn't blind you, because most Germans had a blind trust in Hitler and we all know this resulted in WWII.

As a side note, before WWII happened the German Jews were forbidden by the Nazi government to marry ‘true’ Germans, own their own business or own a weapon on the basis of their race and yet the world did nothing.
Then again, racial segregation was kinda normal at that time.
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Old 11-10-2008, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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As long as it doesn't blind you, because most Germans had a blind trust in Hitler and we all know this resulted in WWII.
Totally off topic -

Answer this: What was I supposed to do with a criminal who had a gun pointed at the head of my wife - and who was threatening to kill her and my son?

He was making demands of her - demands she could not meet - and he was going to kill her (and we know he had killed someone earlier in the evening).

What would you have done? Forget Hitler. Forget the Government. Forget the Jews.
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Old 11-10-2008, 08:43 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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What would you have done? Forget Hitler. Forget the Government. Forget the Jews.
No I won't because it is all connected with each other.
Hitler started WWII because of what happened in WWI.
You can't disconnect the past from the present.

It is a fact that your government has failed you by allowing there to be a segregation between the poor and the rich instead of closing (or narrowing) the gap between them they've only widened it.
Your government has also refused to take care of their mentally ill ( including war veterans) which results in the fact that the American individual has to clean up the mess (and pay the costs) their government has made.
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Old 11-10-2008, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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Originally Posted by Greatday No I won't because it is all connected with each other.
Hitler started WWII because of what happened in WWI.
You can't disconnect the past from the present.

It is a fact that your government has failed you by allowing there to be a segregation between the poor and the rich instead of closing (or narrowing) the gap between them they've only widened it.
Your government has also refused to take care of their mentally ill ( including war veterans) which results in the fact that the American individual has to clean up the mess (and pay the costs) their government has made.
nice way you skirted a direct question.
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Old 11-10-2008, 08:58 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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nice way you skirted a direct question.
Thanks, this is why I'm glad to live in The Netherlands.
The chances of this happening here is much smaller than in the US simply because the Dutch government takes better care of its citizens.
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Old 11-10-2008, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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Originally Posted by Noahma Thanks, this is why I'm glad to live in The Netherlands.
The chances of this happening here is much smaller than in the US simply because the Dutch government takes better care of its citizens.
what the heck kind of response was this? your statement makes absolutely no sense at all.
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Old 11-10-2008, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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No I won't because it is all connected with each other.Hitler started WWII because of what happened in WWI.You can't disconnect the past from the present.
Clearly, you are trying to avoid answering the question

None of what you wrote - NONE OF IT - had anything to do with someone pointing a gun at my wife -

So, unless you correct me - I will assume you would not take any definitive action to protect your loved ones life -
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