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Old 11-06-2008, 05:20 PM
 
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Why would criminals bother with licensing or registration?
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Old 11-06-2008, 08:48 PM
 
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Converting an AR or Bushmaster is not terribly difficult. It is, however, terribly illegal. I am not advocating that; I was simply making the point that from a technological standpoint, things have changed dramatically since the Constitution was written.

ah, yes. somehow, with my incredible powers of reading comprehension, i missed this part:
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...spend a few hours on the bench...
to think that i was in honors english in hs...
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Old 11-06-2008, 09:48 PM
 
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Why would criminals bother with licensing or registration?

Some do, we call those white collar criminals. Or maybe those that aren't using a gun to commit a crime. It doesn't make them less of a criminal if they have a license and commit another crime. You (general) could steal a car and still be a registered gun owner.

I was thinking more of the gangbanging though.
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Old 11-07-2008, 07:21 AM
 
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Some do, we call those white collar criminals. Or maybe those that aren't using a gun to commit a crime. It doesn't make them less of a criminal if they have a license and commit another crime. You (general) could steal a car and still be a registered gun owner.

I was thinking more of the gangbanging though.
I'm not sure what you are getting at. If a person doesn't use a gun to commit a crime I honestly fail to see how taking away his gun rights makes anyone safer.

A person could use a car to run over a dozen kids in a school yard, do his time & when he gets out go buy another car & do it again, but he couldn't buy a gun. How does that make any real difference?

Most places dont have registration for guns & IMO there shouldn't be any.
Some places like CT where I live call their pistol permits licenses. Mine says its a license to carry pitols & revolvers, but theres still no requirement to register them. When you buy a gun all the perticulars are taken down & stored. If that gun is used in a crime it can & will be traced back to you.

I doubt anything wil ever get "gangbangers" to comply with registration. A gun is not like a car. They can walk around with a gun all day every day & nobody will know until they use it. At that point the registration of it is irrelevant.
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Old 11-07-2008, 07:43 AM
 
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I'm not sure what you are getting at. If a person doesn't use a gun to commit a crime I honestly fail to see how taking away his gun rights makes anyone safer.

A person could use a car to run over a dozen kids in a school yard, do his time & when he gets out go buy another car & do it again, but he couldn't buy a gun. How does that make any real difference?

Most places dont have registration for guns & IMO there shouldn't be any.
Some places like CT where I live call their pistol permits licenses. Mine says its a license to carry pitols & revolvers, but theres still no requirement to register them. When you buy a gun all the perticulars are taken down & stored. If that gun is used in a crime it can & will be traced back to you.

I doubt anything wil ever get "gangbangers" to comply with registration. A gun is not like a car. They can walk around with a gun all day every day & nobody will know until they use it. At that point the registration of it is irrelevant.
Of course it won't. But what your not seeing, is the number of arrests with gun no permit. Gun with obliterated number. Stolen guns. Theft and receiving stolen property. The ones that grow up in the area infested by gang bangers and wind up with enemies and then purchase them. Yes, I do want them registered. Kind of like how one tags small animals and lets them back into the wilderness.

I was merely pointing out that it is possible to be a criminal AND have a permit for a gun. My initial response was that the guns that people wanted to shut down they missed by a long shot. Nor did I even come close to insinuating taking away someone's gun rights and running someone over with a car was even in there.
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Old 11-07-2008, 07:52 AM
 
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40% of homocides are by puncture wounds. it cant be about public safety.
general cornwallis was assigned #1 task for the colonies, find and destroy the armories
of the rebels. to control a people you must 1st disarm them. what happened to the people locked up in the superdome in NO *** should be a message to all, dont let your guard down. they have restricted ownership, the government has criminalized self defense, they allow and encourage personal injury suits while in the commision of a crime, they push/promote for bow hunting which eliminates firearms from the home of many a hunter. the issue of armed criminals is of little importance to government. government protecting you is your priority not theirs, their priority is controlling you.
every picture tells a story dont it (rod stewart sing it).
***(referring to the real NO superdome story not the CNN version)
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Old 11-07-2008, 08:01 AM
 
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Besides paranoia, what else do you think could be the reason gun laws have become more restrictive?
Besides what others have said about politicians pandering for votes, its about power and control. An armed society is a free society. The first thing dictators, socialists and communists do is to disarm the populace. Look at Russia, China, even western Europe. They are not free, nor are they in control of their own lives. They must bend to the will of the state as they have no means in which to fight back. With the recent election, the U.S. took a big step in that direction. Just watch.
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Old 11-07-2008, 07:03 PM
 
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Of course it won't. But what your not seeing, is the number of arrests with gun no permit. Gun with obliterated number. Stolen guns. Theft and receiving stolen property. The ones that grow up in the area infested by gang bangers and wind up with enemies and then purchase them. Yes, I do want them registered. Kind of like how one tags small animals and lets them back into the wilderness.
Criminals have beaten charges for not having a permit because it violates their 5th amendment rights against self incrimination. Sounds rediculous but its aparently an effective defense. Its already illegal in 48 states to carry without a permit & to obliterate serial numbers everywhere. Since they already do these things why wouldn't they continue even if we had registration?

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I was merely pointing out that it is possible to be a criminal AND have a permit for a gun. My initial response was that the guns that people wanted to shut down they missed by a long shot. Nor did I even come close to insinuating taking away someone's gun rights and running someone over with a car was even in there.
Its possible I guess for a criminal to get a permit, but its not very likely.

I brought up the car thing to prove a point that gun rights are already simply revoked wwhen it obviously serves no purpose other than to make people feel good. Requireing registration is taking away gun rights. You dont register a right. Do we register out mouths for free speach? Do we register religous choices?. While there are several states that already have registration I think if you look you will find they have higher gun crime rates. It simply has no discernable effect. Criminals dont care about the laws.
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Old 11-07-2008, 08:58 PM
 
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Criminals have beaten charges for not having a permit because it violates their 5th amendment rights against self incrimination. Sounds rediculous but its aparently an effective defense. Its already illegal in 48 states to carry without a permit & to obliterate serial numbers everywhere. Since they already do these things why wouldn't they continue even if we had registration?
Actually, when I see it, they are prosecuted for it. And they don't get to beat the charges. But I sure would like to see those cases for myself, have them handy?


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Its possible I guess for a criminal to get a permit, but its not very likely.
Here is the deal, we are not talking about the same thing. So, let me try this again. It had occured to me after that first post that I made, that you can be a criminal and own a gun and still be a criminal but not use a gun in the crime. Meaning that you (Youse realize that all youse are general, correct?) can still be a criminal............you just haven't been caught yet and the crimes do not even have to have anything to do with guns. Your still commiting crimes, you legitimately own a gun......just not arrested yet.......still a criminal.


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I brought up the car thing to prove a point that gun rights are already simply revoked wwhen it obviously serves no purpose other than to make people feel good.
I'm pretty sure that if you deliberately run down and murder a bunch of children AND you get out. You don't win a gun. Cause, criminals don't care about the law, remember?

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Requireing registration is taking away gun rights. You dont register a right. Do we register out mouths for free speach? Do we register religous choices?. While there are several states that already have registration I think if you look you will find they have higher gun crime rates. It simply has no discernable effect. Criminals dont care about the laws.
Free speech is not entirely free, there are 4 legal limitations at this time. That would be another thread. Registration is great. I don't see precisely how it takes away your rights. Maybe you could describe that in detail.

However, I would love to see your statistics, could you get those for me?
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Old 11-07-2008, 10:12 PM
 
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There is only one reason why any government would have anything to gain by taking guns away from its citizens. That reason is that they wish to do something so horrible to the people that they know the people will react violently. Disarming the people before drastic policies is only logical.
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