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Old 11-20-2008, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Pensacola, Fl
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Does this mean that I have the right to own a gun of my choice, as long as kb09 approves of my choice? Can kb09 accucately describe an "assualt rifle"?
I'm just going to ignore the completely sarcastic question and answer your question of what an assualt rifle is. Wikipedia describes it as being,

"The term assault rifle is a translation of the German word Sturmgewehr (literally meaning "storm rifle"), "storm" used as a verb being synonymous with assault, as in "to storm the compound". Sturmgewehr was coined by Adolf Hitler[1] to describe the Maschinenpistole 44, subsequently re-christened Sturmgewehr 44, the firearm generally considered the first true assault rifle that served to popularize the concept. The translation assault rifle gradually became the common term for similar firearms sharing the same technical definition as the StG 44. In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[2][3][4]
  • An individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder.
  • Capable of selective fire.
  • Intermediate-power cartridge between pistol and traditional rifle.
  • Ammunition is supplied from a detachable box magazine.
The term "assault rifle" is often more loosely to include other types of arms, particularly arms that fall under a strict definition of the battle rifle, or semi-automatic variant of military rifles for commercial or political reasons.

[edit] The US Army's definition of "assault rifle"
"Assault rifles are short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachinegun and rifle cartridges."[5] "

That includes AK-47's, M4's, submachine guns, uzis, AR-15's...need I say more?
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Old 11-21-2008, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Wow. The mainstream media, the anti-gun lobby, and the Democratic party sure has done a great job of convincing the general public that fully automatic military weapons like the M-16 and AK-47 are available to anyone and everyone. And that they are actually used in crime in the U.S.


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Old 11-21-2008, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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FA weapons aren't that expensive either (IMHO) check out these sites all have models under 10k some under 5k
DealerNFA - Machine Guns (http://www.dealernfa.com/Machine%20Guns.htm - broken link)

Gunsmithing/Transfers
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Old 11-21-2008, 02:42 PM
 
Location: 80904 West siiiiiide!
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I'd love to see the look on everyone's face if I pulled into work driving a Bradley.
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Old 11-21-2008, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I don't see the issue, register all the guns and get a copy of their firing pin patterns/striations on a national database (getting closer to be feasible with computer tech). That way if a person has an unregistered gun or purchased illegally, they go to jail. If people are shooting one another, you can track it to the gun and they get their desserts for it. If it's stolen you know it fast, and know what crap it's been linked to.

I just don't see the need for assault rifles, they are fun to try out but not as useful as a Mossberg. Only a lunatic would mess with a person with that trained on them...and if they are that crazy nothing else would stop them. Perfect for self defense in the worst situations, everyone should be handed one and trained.
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Old 11-21-2008, 03:17 PM
 
Location: southern california
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totalitarian government behavior. if you think ownership is restricted god help you if you use that weapon for any reason. cant be public safety. 40% of homicides are puncture wounds.
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Old 11-21-2008, 05:32 PM
 
Location: In a house
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The reality is most guns are virtually registered already. Fireing pin markings are never going to work.
Not unless we just toss a weapon every time it needs a $10 part & not unless we restrict who can buy that $10 part.
If a person buys a gun illegally they already go to jail, if they get caught. Registrations & databases are only good for one thing. Enabling future confiscation. History proves that out again & again. Once crime doesn't go away because of registration they ban the guns & use the database to do it.

What you or I see a need for dont matter. Whats just matters & banning a certain gun because YOU dont see a need for it is unjust.
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Old 11-21-2008, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Registrations & databases are only good for one thing. Enabling future confiscation. History proves that out again & again.
I don't see how, since the ability to for mass amounts of weapons and unique identifiers is still not quite cost effective. Stating fact by history instead of opinion needs proof.
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Old 11-21-2008, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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I don't see how, since the ability to for mass amounts of weapons and unique identifiers is still not quite cost effective. Stating fact by history instead of opinion needs proof.
All you need to do is look at a few countries in history that restricted gun rights. Two glaring examples are Russia and Germany, both restricted gun rights, one before it started an epoch war that brought the world to its knees, and killed millions and millions of people before an end was forced upon Hitler.
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Old 11-21-2008, 09:57 PM
 
Location: In a house
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I don't see how, since the ability to for mass amounts of weapons and unique identifiers is still not quite cost effective. Stating fact by history instead of opinion needs proof.

The fact that their silly identifiers arent feasable yet doesn't stop them from trying. Cost effectiveness is relative to who's deciding what somethings worth. The new anti American administration might just decide it is plenty cost effective to register & track every gun in America.

Nohma gave two examples of abuses & I'll give a couple more. England & Australia.
It was very easy in both places to ban entire types of guns because they were registered. Its the logical next step. On another note it doesn't seem any safer in either place since these bans have been in effect. People lost valuable personal property, often family heirlooms & for absolutely nothing except an empty promise of saftey.
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