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It is always great fun for folks to intellectually debate a topic, especially one with which they have no personal experience. I have personally found that those who don't spend their lives in thoughtful, ruminating, theoretical and self-isolating cubicles are the ones who have more knowledge of what is going on in the real world... because they are IN it and deal with it, every day.
Most folks are good and decent people. The rest are cruel, self-seeking, totally self-involved animals who get what they want from whomever they want, however they want. It is that minority of which the decent people must be aware, and be able to guard against. Pretending that they don't exist only gives them more power, pretending that they can be 'saved' or 'cured' or 'loved back to Jesus' only gives them more opportunity and excuses to rape and pillage. Again, JMHO.
Well, OK, let's call it "violent crime committed with handguns by people", or "handgun crime" for short.
Others would claim, (see Freakanomics) that abortion is the cause of leveling crime rates.
I agree, though, people pull the trigger, and if it wasn't a gun, it'd be clubs, fists, or whatever other tool was available.
However, I will point out, despite being a RKBA person, that guns do, in fact, make it much easier to implement the decision.
However I still believe in RKBA for all the reasons it was originally written into the Bill of Rights.
I had a post I did earlier in this thread that compared gun related crimes pre and post gun bans not only here in America, but in Britain and Australia. Gun crime did not drop, it remained the same, but there was a very sharp rise in violent crime as related to other weapons being used, knives, bats, anything that they could get their hands on. And using Very sharp rise as a way to describe it does not help in showing the true severity of hte crime rise, we are talking about a 6-8 times rise in violent crime.
And what caught my eye the most about the increase in violent crime in Australia is that home invasions/attacks increased primarily in the aged and elderly. Think about that, if you have parents or grandparents who are helpless in the face of violent criminals who want something that they have. Especially females, who are raped just for fun and to intimidate and overpower, not because they are 'cute sweet young things who enticed' the criminals. Do you want YOUR gramma or mom to be defenseless, only able to call for help afterwards - if they leave her alive?
If you think I'm being overly reactionary, you may be right - as a female, I am particularly aware that rape is a crime of power, not sex. As a SLUF - Short Little Ugly Female -I know that it has nothing to do with my stunning face or figure. And so does my daughter, who also carries and has a permit to do so. Criminals are not hapless, helpless victims of society, who would willingly give up their power over others by giving up their guns or knives or other weapons, once they are shown a better way. If you believe that, then the name for you is only - 'potential prey'.
Originally Posted by Tin Knocker Look at your foreign policy and the eagerness America enters foreign conflicts it knows nothing of?
Like I've posted before; America rushes in where angels fear to thread. Probably because America believes that they're God, or that God (read: victory) can only be on their side.
But what that got to do with gun ownership? I think these guys are right, you cant answer a question.
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LoL, in essence you gun owners already claim that, regardless of the strategy used, having a gun makes you superior to unarmed opponents.
In essence,,,, thats crap. Nobody is saying anything close to that. Except, in essence you yourself. Logically, if you want to ban guns its because you think thats the only way to defend yourself from them.
They are tools period. I'm quite certain you could use them responsibly. You just dont think so because its how you were raised.
And what caught my eye the most about the increase in violent crime in Australia is that home invasions/attacks increased primarily in the aged and elderly. Think about that, if you have parents or grandparents who are helpless in the face of violent criminals who want something that they have. Especially females, who are raped just for fun and to intimidate and overpower, not because they are 'cute sweet young things who enticed' the criminals. Do you want YOUR gramma or mom to be defenseless, only able to call for help afterwards - if they leave her alive?
If you think I'm being overly reactionary, you may be right - as a female, I am particularly aware that rape is a crime of power, not sex. As a SLUF - Short Little Ugly Female -I know that it has nothing to do with my stunning face or figure. And so does my daughter, who also carries and has a permit to do so. Criminals are not hapless, helpless victims of society, who would willingly give up their power over others by giving up their guns or knives or other weapons, once they are shown a better way. If you believe that, then the name for you is only - 'potential prey'.
Great post & right on the money!
It really doesn't matter in my opinion how much crime is commited with a gun. The mere possibility, even if there werent documented proof, that people could save their lives or families from harm with guns that they simply could not without them makes banning & further gun control wrong.
Originally Posted by SCGranny Being prey has nothing to do with having a gun or not having a gun.
The metaphor works Tricky. Admit it or not, guns in the hands of victims of crime can & do make a positive difference. Not every time, but much more than submission.
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Originally Posted by rifleman I happen to know that June 7th thinks of me as an intelligent and thoughtful person.
Charles Manson & Ted Bundy were intelligent & thoughtful too.
But what that got to do with gun ownership? I think these guys are right, you cant answer a question.
The metaphor works Tricky. Admit it or not, guns in the hands of victims of crime can & do make a positive difference. Not every time, but much more than submission.
Then tell me why America has so much violent crimes when American citizens already are allowed to have guns and your American government has the death penalty as the ultimate crime deterrent?
The Netherlands has none of those countermeasures, but we also have no student shootings or drive-by shootings and our courts, compared to the US, are very soft on crime.
Besidez, you confuse social intelligent behaviour with meekness an / or blind obedience.
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Charles Manson & Ted Bundy were intelligent & thoughtful too.
You are calling sociopaths thoughtful?
Do you actually know English?
Originally Posted by Tin Knocker Then tell me why America has so much violent crimes when American citizens already are allowed to have guns and your American government has the death penalty as the ultimate crime deterrent?
Determination of the application of the death penalty is left up to each individual state.
And the Death Penalty is not applied in a majority of states.
Yes, I support the Death Penalty - I also support expansion of the crimes that would qualify for the penalties application - including sexual assault of children
I have also witnessed an execution.
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Look at your foreign policy and the eagerness America enters foreign conflicts it knows nothing of?
Probably because America believes that they're God, or that God (read: victory) can only be on their side.
LoL, in essence you gun owners already claim that, regardless of the strategy used, having a gun makes you superior to unarmed opponents.
Being prey has nothing to do with having a gun or not having a gun.
