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Old 11-04-2008, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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Say... can we get someone to create a "Beware of the Rabid Dog" smiley?

LOL!!!

One of the best posts I've read in a while. Thanks Rifleman.
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Old 11-04-2008, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Does it matter?
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There won't be a revolution, yet. It seems to be getting closer to that though. The more this country gets divided, the more it feels like it is one day going to split in half and a war will outbreak. I don't want it to happen, but the views and lines are becoming finer each and every election.
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Old 11-04-2008, 03:34 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Saintmarks Unfortunately these problems are caused by how the Americans operate in the global economical and political arena.

I still don't see why the majority of the Europeans back America who unconditionally(?) backs Israel in the Palestine & Israeli conflict.
Whatever gave you the idea that we're all necons that supported the Bush administration? Because of Bush we will now have our own little PC version of socialist nirvana. Lastly, yes I don't care what you Dutch or other Europeans think. You do have your own problems. Theo Van Gogh? It's the fate that awaits all of continental Europe. This time there will be no arrogant Uncle Sam to save your asses. Where is the European Jan Sobieski this time? You're going to need him much sooner than you think.
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Old 11-04-2008, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Aiken S.C
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God no (pun intended). Not I. You really do need to expand your blinkered mind, man! Mythical god-figures are just items of spiritual convenience. Nope, I was just, again, being logical and pointing out the obvious, but you only want to fight everything any of us says, logical, correct, possible/ probable, incorrect or otherwise. "You" and "concession" can't be in the same post no matter what; we've already established that.

The fact is that, in WWII, the American military as well as the other major allies, chased the Nazis off your property. Tens of thousands of Americans and others sacrificed their life essence so that your parents or grandparents or you could continue to live and prosper. and we didn't even gloat over it, just glad to help out! Go ahead, deny it.

Then, during the months immediately following VE day, we kept the Russians from "absorbing" you. Go ahead, deny it.

Then, in the years that followed, by our massive expenditure to help your country and others in Europe rebuild, you became a successful free country. Go ahead, deny it.

Additionally, by our's, the Canadian's, the Brit's and other Allied presence, we kept the blustering and hostile USSR from culturally, militarily and philosophically enveloping your country and others. Go ahead, deny it. It's what you automatically do. A knee-jerk "blah blah blah, Bad America" response.

But BTW, the ability and opportunites to develop your economy and culture unhindered and un-molested by a mobster country next door was, you're welcome, because you lived under our military and economic protectorate. No God stuff implied. No arrogance, just the facts. Not my problem that you don't understand simple terms, or have to fight every frickin' thing any of us say. That is, though, pretty typical of a hateful problem child fighting over his candy. We understand it in a child. In a supposed mature adult, it reeks of pure arrogance, bluster and poor character.

Sometimes, if the child just won't quit his irritating, juvenile and irrational behavior, the responsible parent has to bop the kid on the nose. Anyone?

Or at the least, go sit in the corner and think about your bad behavior. We'll let you know when you can come out!

(And it's onto the Ignore pile for you too. You'll find TKramar there to keep you company.)

Say... can we get someone to create a "Beware of the Rabid Dog" smiley?
Time out for you lean

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Old 11-04-2008, 05:14 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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There is a revolution taking place, and for quite some time, in America. The largest strides in this revolution were taken during the time of FDR. This marks the period when Karl Marx's disease took hold of this nation for good. To say that the nation is now slightly shifting in the direction of Communism is to deny the dramatic irrevocable shift taken at that time.

Americans are the most proud to say that they love freedom, yet they have all but relinquished them in their entirety generations ago. That is how the genius of Karl Marx works and was designed to work. The socialism that garnered such power during FDR's reign will do exactly as it was meant to do. Socialism is nothing more than the most brilliant form of bloodless revolution possible. It is, for those who do not study such things, designed specifically to make capitalists almost eagerly embrace a slow transformation into communists.

From the orphans and widows fund, now known as social security, to the now myriad "social services" and programs in America, we as a nation grow continually more and more communist by our own request. We now as a nation ask not how much we can limit our government to ensure our freedoms, as the wise founders did, but rather how much we can demand that our government can give us. We have completely forgotten that the government can provide no thing, tangible or not, that has not first been stripped from us by it in the first place.

So Karl Marx in effect has already broken the U.S. long ago. The revolution, as he designed it to work, started long ago, perhaps before we even realized it was happening at all. We now are merely in a downward spiral that cannot be stopped. If you fail to realize this, imagine trying to take away social security, or medicaid, or any other program that you want to plug in, from the American people and it will become quite clear that the battle has long since been lost. Just watch the effective tax rate of the nation. That rate will always climb as the populace's demands become greater until it reaches a point where no one can afford anything without the government giving it to them. That will mark the end of the revolution in progress.

"I cannot undertake to place my finger upon that article of the constitution which grants a right to congress to appropriate even one dollar of their constituents money on objects of benevolence or charity."
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Old 11-04-2008, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Aiken S.C
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With one million people expected to gather in Chicago we may see revolution tonight.
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Old 11-04-2008, 07:14 PM
 
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Or a riot.
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Old 11-04-2008, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Texas
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We are under a Marxist revolution as we speak. If the powers that be are as powerful as I think they are, we could be living under a completely authoritarian state in four years. If I had the money, I would definetly look into getting out of the country. Rural real estate would be another good thing to look into.
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Old 11-04-2008, 08:30 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Tens of thousands of Americans and others sacrificed their life essence so that your parents or grandparents or you could continue to live and prosper. and we didn't even gloat over it, just glad to help out!
Like I've posted before America only got involved because Hitler declared war on America and because Japan attacked Pearl Harbour.
If these 2 things never happened America probably would have continued their isolationism politics.

What I find funny (read: ironic) is that after America & the Allies won WWII they declared that the president of the IMF has to be a European and the president of the Worldbank has to be American.
This reeks of colonial supremacist thinking, which at the time was normal for Europe and America.
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1) Ending inequality in decision making
The executive board and board of governors of the IMF do not give all countries an equal opportunity to represent themselves. Votes are allocated based on a one-dollar, one-vote system that prioritises wealth over democracy. Richer countries dominate the executive board both in terms of chairs and votes despite the Fund increasingly being involved in only low- and middle-income countries. This system, designed during the colonial era and controlled by developed country governments, is inadequate and should be fundamentally changed.

We demand a truly democratic structure, which would satisfy the standards of democracy expected at the national level. To move towards this goal we demand the immediate adoption of a double-majority voting system. Decisions by the boards should be made only when both a majority of member governments agree and the decision garners support of a majority of votes. One-country, one-vote decision making must counterbalance the one-dollar, one-vote system. Combining the present weighted-voting system with a requirement for agreement by a majority of member governments would move towards ending the inequity in IMF decision making.

2) Opening leadership selection
The managing director and deputy managing director of the IMF play an important role in defining the direction of the institution. The convention of European countries nominating the IMF managing director while the USA nominates the World Bank president and the IMF first deputy managing director is unacceptable.

We demand the introduction of a transparent and democratic process for selecting the heads of multilateral organisations. This should involve all member countries equally and significant stakeholder groupings, and assess candidates on merit, regardless of their nationality. Geographical diversity in top positions should be actively encouraged. Such reform would only be significant if accompanied by ending the inequity in decision making so that all member governments can effectively participate in the selection process.

Source: European CSO Open Statement on Governance Reform of the IMF - Social and Economic Policy - Global Policy Forum


Originally Posted by SAI126
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Theo Van Gogh? It's the fate that awaits all of continental Europe.
How about your Lincoln and Kennedy's?
Or the assassinations of Martin Luther King JR and Malcolm X?
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Old 11-04-2008, 09:01 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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There is most certainly going to be some sort of conflict fought on this soil sooner than later. There is to much bad blood out there, racial division, political division, social rifts such as I hoped to never see. Will it all turn violent. Probably. The Nation is ripped in two again. The electoral college has ignored the popular vote (again) and the government is going to start sticking its claws in the Constitution. With a left supermajority and a far left president some of those annoying ammendments in that outmoded document will need to be "revised". To thunderous applause from some and vehament anger by others. Yep thats the stuff that Civil War is made of. Hope I'm wrong, but I view the situation with trepidation.
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