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Old 10-30-2008, 01:24 PM
 
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Here’s the thing.

If the majority of voters approve of a form of, or a gentle shifting to, Marxism, socialism or communism, then so be it. The will of the people have spoken. It may be repulsive to many who value their rights, lowest possible taxation, non liberal activist judges with no intent of administering true justice, and small government- but that places those people in the minority. And we live in a democracy where we are generally governed via the will of the majority.

It may also be said, to quote Abe Lincoln, that politicians “can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.” However, that remains to be seen and proven.

I promise you that people “fooled” are not always done so for long. Even though this country is losing the power of the ballot via ACORN and other radical groups, when (or if) the people tire of this shift in the way we live then a change will be made.

Right now, this quote by Joseph Conrad may sum up our current situation: “The scrupulous and the just, the noble, humane, and devoted natures; the unselfish and the intelligent may begin a movement -- but it passes away from them. They are not the leaders of a revolution. They are its victims.” We are caught in a revolution towards Marxism that may or may not proceed very far.

I feel we may be approaching a time when the words of Thomas Jefferson never rang more true: “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”
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Old 10-30-2008, 01:33 PM
 
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I feel we may be approaching a time when the words of Thomas Jefferson never rang more true: “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”
What about the blood of all the innocent bystanders? Does that refresh the tree of liberty? Is that part of the precious manure?

No disrespect meant towards Mr. Jefferson, but I understand in his age, civilian casualties didn't count.
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Old 10-30-2008, 02:00 PM
 
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I have no doubt that as politics always will swing the other way. In the end they believe all the promises of something for nothing but they never come true.Government can never actually solve individaul situations ;no matter what. One day soon people will be loking back at the recent past as the good ole days.There will always be people who are rich and poor.Persoannly this turn is nothing compared to the 60's when agin p[eole were tlking revolution even more than how.

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Old 10-30-2008, 02:18 PM
 
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What about the blood of all the innocent bystanders? Does that refresh the tree of liberty? Is that part of the precious manure?

No disrespect meant towards Mr. Jefferson, but I understand in his age, civilian casualties didn't count.

And that is a very astute point you make.

However, have you noticed that in the last 8 years (I speak as an independent with no political party affiliation) the democrats have become increasingly hateful and partisan in a spiteful way? I think we are heading toward a potential boiling point over the new face of hate.
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Old 10-30-2008, 02:50 PM
 
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The American public is as a whole too lazy and too comfortable in their lives to actually get up the nerve to have a revolution.
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Old 10-30-2008, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Hope, AR
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Right, everyone's too busy having fun for that kind of thing.

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The American public is as a whole too lazy and too comfortable in their lives to actually get up the nerve to have a revolution.
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Old 10-30-2008, 03:25 PM
 
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Revolutions are a lot more fun on Nintendo. You can pause any time, go order Chinese ... Naw, Prophet, you see? Revolutions aren't for people who are merely pissed -- they are for people who are pissed AND have nothing to lose.
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Old 10-30-2008, 03:39 PM
 
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Revolutions are a lot more fun on Nintendo. You can pause any time, go order Chinese ... Naw, Prophet, you see? Revolutions aren't for people who are merely pissed -- they are for people who are pissed AND have nothing to lose.
Except the founding fathers did have a lot to lose. They were not typical revolutionaries, they were men of standing who had personal fortunes at stake.

Although I will grant that the American Revolution is probably the exception as opposed to the rule.

PS: Is it just me, or did the OP switch to a lighter shade of gray in the middle of his post? I can't tell if my monitor is screwy.
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Old 10-30-2008, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Hope, AR
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No your not crazy -- it's a two-tone OP.

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Except the founding fathers did have a lot to lose. They were not typical revolutionaries, they were men of standing who had personal fortunes at stake.

Although I will grant that the American Revolution is probably the exception as opposed to the rule.

PS: Is it just me, or did the OP switch to a lighter shade of gray in the middle of his post? I can't tell if my monitor is screwy.
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Old 10-30-2008, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Aiken S.C
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This isnt Jeffersons day and age ..This is the age of sit on your ass and complain in forums,smoke pot and play video games. Nobody has the guts to stand up for anything America is just a country full of passive agressive whiners. And we did it to ourselves. Hell you can't even disipline your kids anymore because you might hurt thier fragile little feelings, i think if we had more ass whippings and more parents raising thier kids we would not have school shootings and fat lazy kids.
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