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Old 06-05-2009, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Ca2Mo2Ga2Va!
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Suicide by police shooting is rapidly becoming a suicide method of choice.
Somewhat but still the crazies out there that would do that are less imo than those that would think twice about committing a violent crime if the death penalty were more real than it is.
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Old 06-05-2009, 06:18 PM
 
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I'm conservative in a lot of ways, but I simply think it is immoral for the state to put anyone to death.

Except for telephone solicitors who flout the Do Not Call registry.

Or the guy who thought it would be a great idea to put those little subscription cards into magazines.

Or people who allow their dogs to bark outside past 9 p.m.

For them? The death penalty is a perfect legitimate idea.
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Old 06-05-2009, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Now we have four Pet Peeve threads
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Old 07-14-2009, 10:56 AM
 
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Default A couple of things....

-recidivism and deterrence are different concepts; recidivism is when an offender re-offends. Deterrence prevents other people from offending.

-Texas has, by far, the most active death house; they however do not have the lowest murder rate, by far.

-The only people deterred by the death penalty are those who are unlikely to murder in the first place. I have yet to hear a murder say that they choose the state to murder in based on whether the state had a death penalty.

-prosecutors bring action on behalf of society, not individual victim's family. Therefore, the point that the death penalty brings justice to a victim's family is moot.

-the death penalty requires, effectively, two trials (guilt and penalty); it will always be subject to numerous appeals and constant testing for 8th Amendment violations. This is why the typical death penalty case costs more than a regular murder case.

-the death penalty is given almost arbitrarily. We pick and choose who gets it based on how bad we perceive the facts in the case. We say, in a sense, that all murder is bad but some types or murder is worse. What makes a person convicted of murdering someone with one of the enumerated factors (victim is a cop, kid, multiple victims, felony murder, ect.) different from someone convicted of murdering a single victim?

-Life without parole works.
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:24 AM
 
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Texas does not have life without the possibility of parole.

Texas has already executed 16 so far this year
And yet Texas still has one of the highest violent crime rates in the USA.
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Old 07-16-2009, 07:10 AM
 
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Well, I see it as another murder to execute someone only the criminal is everyone. Has anyone ever looked at who makes it to death row? It's not your white-collar business boy who killed his partner, it's always the poor. So if your for capital punishment, what about that? We only execute people that can't afford good representation. Also, I found it interesting the type of people that are traditionally for capital punishment, kind of scary. Really? These are the leading morals in our country? What is going ON. I always thought it was kind of twisted for the state to offer you a preacher before they inject you. Like, I don't want S**T from you guys, let alone another slap in the face that you think God thinks it's OK for you to kill. But, if you were getting ready to die, you might not be worried about making a statement and just take the preacher for comfort.
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Old 07-16-2009, 07:18 AM
 
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And yet Texas still has one of the highest violent crime rates in the USA.
But those 16 will commit no more crime...
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Old 07-16-2009, 08:03 AM
 
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But those 16 will commit no more crime...
But have you ever ask why people murder other people? It isn't as simple as "that person is just plain evil". For example, Wisconsin and Minnesota have very low violent crime rates compared to Texas(as well as much of the USA), and those are the states that do not have the death penalty. Minneapolis has only recorded about 6 or 7 murders this year. Sounds like Minnesota is doing something right. The death penalty is not a crime deterrent. IMHO, it is just a legalized form of revenge. Putting a murderer to death isn't going to bring me peace of mind. That criminal may never kill again, but it if the murder rate is still high, you might want to ask why that is.
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Old 07-16-2009, 08:14 AM
 
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But have you ever ask why people murder other people? It isn't as simple as "that person is just plain evil". For example, Wisconsin and Minnesota have very low violent crime rates compared to Texas(as well as much of the USA), and those are the states that do not have the death penalty. Minneapolis has only recorded about 6 or 7 murders this year. Sounds like Minnesota is doing something right. The death penalty is not a crime deterrent. IMHO, it is just a legalized form of revenge. Putting a murderer to death isn't going to bring me peace of mind. That criminal may never kill again, but it if the murder rate is still high, you might want to ask why that is.
"Putting a murderer to death isn't going to bring me peace of mind."

The families of the murdered person really don't care about your peace of mind.

"But have you ever ask why people murder other people?"

We didn't get a chance to ask the guy that tried to kill my daughter by stabbing her six times.... A police office shot and killed him before he finished trying to kill her.


"Wisconsin have very low violent crime rates compared to Texas"

The Houston area has almost as many people as the whole state of Wisconsin, Maybe that has something to with it. What do you think?
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Old 07-16-2009, 08:26 AM
 
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-recidivism and deterrence are different concepts; recidivism is when an offender re-offends. Deterrence prevents other people from offending.

-Texas has, by far, the most active death house; they however do not have the lowest murder rate, by far.

-The only people deterred by the death penalty are those who are unlikely to murder in the first place. I have yet to hear a murder say that they choose the state to murder in based on whether the state had a death penalty.

-prosecutors bring action on behalf of society, not individual victim's family. Therefore, the point that the death penalty brings justice to a victim's family is moot.

-the death penalty requires, effectively, two trials (guilt and penalty); it will always be subject to numerous appeals and constant testing for 8th Amendment violations. This is why the typical death penalty case costs more than a regular murder case.

-the death penalty is given almost arbitrarily. We pick and choose who gets it based on how bad we perceive the facts in the case. We say, in a sense, that all murder is bad but some types or murder is worse. What makes a person convicted of murdering someone with one of the enumerated factors (victim is a cop, kid, multiple victims, felony murder, ect.) different from someone convicted of murdering a single victim?

-Life without parole works.
"-the death penalty is given almost arbitrarily. We pick and choose who gets it based on how bad we perceive the facts in the case."

Texas has guide lines that one has to fall into to be charged with capital murder. Even then one can be given life and in 40 years can come up for parole.

And Texas does NOT have life with out parole.
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