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Old 11-05-2008, 02:05 PM
 
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In light of the elections that have just passed us by (thankfully!!), it is only fitting that we discuss Electoral College vs. Popular Vote; a very old, and very controversial issue.

I will lay out the Pros and Cons of the Electoral College, since the popular vote is rather obvious:

Cons:

-Suppression of Independent parties
-Makes some states more important than others - centers election around handful of states making others useless.
-Inaccurate Blue/Red divide
-Skewed election results
-Suppression of rural voters, especially in states with large dominate cities (California, New York, Washington State)..
-Forces voters to vote on party only, and not on issues or individuals
-Reinforces class/wealth divide
-More difficult in toss-up states

Pros:
-Uniformity
-Less campaign money is required (focusing on a handful of states)
-Suppresses uneducated voters and voters who vote for local benefit as opposed to national/international (prominent cause of Civil War)


That is just about it, obviously I come across as biased, feel free to prove me wrong!
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Old 11-05-2008, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Does it matter?
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I think the electoral college needs to be revamped, or removed. By not fulfilling the needs of the popular vote, a lot of people get pissed off (Gore v Bush election anyone?) and justly so, if you ask me.
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Old 11-05-2008, 02:17 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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I personally think that the electoral college is needed most because we, I would think, do not want a bunch of flaming idiots in just California, for an example, to hijack the entire nation.
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Old 11-05-2008, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Swamps of Florida
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I don't see the point of electoral vote. In Popular vote, I think it would be more comforting to see that your vote is "owned" by you and not just a number that is made up from everyone else.
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Old 11-05-2008, 02:21 PM
 
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I personally think that the electoral college is needed most because we, I would think, do not want a bunch of flaming idiots in just California, for an example, to hijack the entire nation.
Yeah, but then you got how many points in California versus somewhere like Kansas? While California is nearly guaranteed to the Democrats, I think that each and every vote should be counted. EVERY vote. This is something I agree with the Dems about (since I hear mostly Dems address this).

Based on this, the idea of every vote having an effect would become 100% true.
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Old 11-05-2008, 02:22 PM
 
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^Yep. In my opinion, having electoral vote is just as bad as changing the opposition's votes to your own.
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Old 11-05-2008, 02:27 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Now you boys are talking! I would love to see mob rule. We will crush the weak little whiny useless socialists! Woohoo! Ah, pure democracy, I wonder how loud the lefties would scream if that became the law of the land.
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Old 11-05-2008, 02:36 PM
 
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Now you boys are talking! I would love to see mob rule. We will crush the weak little whiny useless socialists! Woohoo! Ah, pure democracy, I wonder how loud the lefties would scream if that became the law of the land.
Well considering Gore lost because of this system, and the race on the 4th would still have been a victory for them, I would imagine they would be all for it..
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Old 11-05-2008, 03:03 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Yeah, but minorities would have no say in government. I don't mean ethnically either. A good old mob-rule system, or pure democracy would pretty much eliminate all socialism from amerika. You are talking popular vote for just presidential elections while I am for popular vote on all matters. Don't worry, I will still be in the minority on a lot of things and still punished for my evil thoughts.

Yes, popular vote would be great! No IRS, Federal Reserve Act, Welfare, Social Security, Medicare, and every other stupid entitlement granted to minority interests at the expense of the majority. Bring it on baby!
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Old 11-06-2008, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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Well considering Gore lost because of this system, and the race on the 4th would still have been a victory for them, I would imagine they would be all for it..
I thought Gore lost because he ran a totally inept and brutally stupid campaign, almost making me think that he purposely threw the election, shaving millions of votes like a 1950's college basketball point-shaving scandal team.

More on topic, before the election in 2000, I told some folks I thought the Electoral College should be eliminated in favor of the popular vote and was contradicted in that conversation.
And the upset happened, and... they were Gore fans.
It was ironic, and a little fun...

Anyway, I think the big money would go to the larger population states anyway, since they would offer the most voter exposures for the buck.
So, I demure from the vote...
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