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Old 11-07-2008, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Ottawa, Canada
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there are a tonne of different beliefs, religions and philosophies that have set out morals. philosophies have a number of "schools", which have numerous beliefs like egoism, hedonism, legal justitifcation (if its legal its moral!( i also cant remember the real name of this).

i seemed to struggle myself with the belief that only a higher being can logically make rules, because if not it becomes the opinion of people. such as muslims believing what they do to woemn completely normal. then again certian rules need to be interpreted in religion to apply to modern scenarios.. what do you guys think?
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Old 11-07-2008, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Montrose, CA
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there are a tonne of different beliefs, religions and philosophies that have set out morals. philosophies have a number of "schools", which have numerous beliefs like egoism, hedonism, legal justitifcation (if its legal its moral!( i also cant remember the real name of this).

i seemed to struggle myself with the belief that only a higher being can logically make rules, because if not it becomes the opinion of people. such as muslims believing what they do to woemn completely normal. then again certian rules need to be interpreted in religion to apply to modern scenarios.. what do you guys think?
Yes, morals are subjective.
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Old 11-07-2008, 10:29 AM
 
Location: 38°14′45″N 122°37′53″W
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Morality is subjective I agree.
But please refrain from using: leangk "muslims believing what they do to women is completely normal"
That type of statement is grossly uneducated.
Having said that, don't forget that despite religious dogma, history has shown that morality has morphed and evolved (or devolved) over thousands of years.
It wasn't long ago in this country that the "religious morality" makers of New England burned and drowned "witches", many of whom were just single/widowed midwifes and women of strength who were a threat to the patriarchal religious society of that time.
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Old 11-07-2008, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Morality is subjective I agree.
But please refrain from using: leangk "muslims believing what they do to women is completely normal"
That type of statement is grossly uneducated.
Having said that, don't forget that despite religious dogma, history has shown that morality has morphed and evolved (or devolved) over thousands of years.
It wasn't long ago in this country that the "religious morality" makers of New England burned and drowned "witches", many of whom were just single/widowed midwifes and women of strength who were a threat to the patriarchal religious society of that time.
u, excuse me, but look at western society vs african/middleeastern area muslims treatment of women. look i know your politically correct, but the majority of muslim women are oppressed, without a doubt
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Old 11-07-2008, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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It seems to me that ALL major religions (none of which I "believe in", BTW) have very similar sets of moral "guidelines". . . do not murder, do not steal, do not libel or slander, do not "covet" that which belongs to another, etc. Good guidlines for living in a society, I think. These are, for me, the basics of all "morals", along with "judge not, that you shall not be judged", and other such. I beleive that if everyone examined their own hearts and minds carefully, and with brutal honesty, ferreting out the anger, green, lust, etc., that exists in all of us, and refusing to act on those emotions, refusing to judge others, etc., that we would have no need for "religion" in our world. At best, I see religion as a "crutch" for those who need it, not as a solution. As always, speaking off the top of my head here, and comments, discussion welcome.
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Old 11-07-2008, 10:52 AM
 
Location: 38°14′45″N 122°37′53″W
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Pretty much every imperial religion of today is patriachal to some degree, i'll give you that, of course.
My point being that your blanket misstatement of Muslims is grossly unfair. Would you care to elaborate on you statement? Please allow me to give you some help here: were you referring to the Wahhabi interpretation of Islam? Then please specify that in such statements, that's all I'm asking.
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Old 11-07-2008, 11:37 AM
 
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To a certain degree I think morality is more subjective, in a universal sense. However, I also think morality has an objective facet to it as well. There are things that are inherently immoral- rape, incest, murder, child pornography… things that are an affront to all of society with the exceptions of such a small minority that it can easily be called objective. Then there are gray areas like prostitution, drug use, assisted suicide… that some will argue subjectivity and others objectivity.
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Old 11-07-2008, 11:43 AM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Morality is completely subjective if you are talking about at the individual level. Our perception of right and wrong are completely the result of our life experience and inner beliefs.

On the societal level, morality is completely oppressive. Whereby those in power arbitrarily impose their subjective morality upon those under their power.
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Old 11-07-2008, 11:57 AM
 
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I believe that there are moral absolutes.

The problem with moral relativism is that you can't complain when someone else has different morals than you do.
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Old 11-07-2008, 12:04 PM
 
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I think there are two broad classes.

There's morality that has to do with how you treat the world around you. Murder, theft, sexual abuse, lying, etc., are all moral absolutes for these actions cause significant harm to others.

Then there's morality that is really nothing more than a reflection of a given culture's mores. Drug and alcohol use, sexual conduct among consenting adults, or the eating of proscribed foods.

In the case of the latter example, morals would indeed be an opinion. Remember, 100 years ago, there were a significant number of people who thought it immoral to have a Sunday newspaper.
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