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Old 03-22-2009, 09:19 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by Fred314X
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That will be funny! Imagine some city passing a law banning obese people from public spaces.
In The Netherlands we are now considering taxing fast food. Our government has also made it a law to replace unhealthy oil that our Dutch snack-bar uses to prepare the fast food with another kind that is much healthier.
Our council of public healthcare even advises doctors to stop (and even refuse) the treatment of patients who deliberately sabotage their medical treatment with smoking, drinking and eating unhealthy.
They even proposed to stop the IVF treatment of women who arenít willing to stop smoking during the procedure and in the event they get pregnant.

FYI science has proven that smoking endangers the fetus and that the if the pregnant mother is obeses the child will most likely also be obese.

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Cigarette smoking and being exposed to secondhand smoke during pregnancy are equally likely to cause permanent genetic mutations in the fetus, a new report concludes.
Source: Smoke, in many forms, endangers the fetus - International Herald Tribune

Parental BMI and childhood overweight
In addition to overweight at birth, the postnatal environment of the infants has a strong impact on childhood overweight. Both the recent BMI of mother and father at follow-up were independent predictors for an increased BMI of the child. Maternal obesity before pregnancy is associated with increased fetal growth during late gestation (25) and postnatal somatic development (4,8,23,26). In the women with GDM studied here, the recent BMI of the mother was even more predictive than the prepregnancy BMI as judged by stepwise regression analysis. Our effort to normalize fetal growth to avoid long-term sequelae of diabetic pregnancies seems to be diminished by the postnatal environment. In the present study, even children born with normal weight were placed at a highly elevated risk of overweight when both parents were obese.
Source: Birth Weight and Parental BMI Predict Overweight in Children From Mothers With Gestational Diabetes -- Schaefer-Graf et al. 28 (7): 1745 -- Diabetes Care
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Old 03-22-2009, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Peer pressure rather than personal responsibility? You are probably right peer pressure would probably work. Based on what I've read on C-D most people are afraid of personal responsibility.
Yes peer pressure would work better but that wasn't what I was implying.

I meant that obesity will likely replace smoking as the #1 cause of preventable death and the #1 health related issue.
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Old 03-22-2009, 10:06 PM
 
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Limited food stamps to cover beans, rice, and milk. Nothing else. It's nutritious enough to keep body and soul together, but boring enough to make people not want to stay on it long.
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Old 03-22-2009, 10:56 PM
 
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um a diet of nothing but beans rice and milk is far from "nutritious enough." Allowance for fruit and veggies (bread is also more than a little reasonable), for ex.
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Old 03-22-2009, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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um a diet of nothing but beans rice and milk is far from "nutritious enough." Allowance for fruit and veggies (bread is also more than a little reasonable), for ex.

OK yhey can have celery.
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Old 03-23-2009, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Our council of public healthcare even advises doctors to stop (and even refuse) the treatment of patients who deliberately sabotage their medical treatment with smoking, drinking and eating unhealthy.
A bit cruel...
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Old 03-23-2009, 08:43 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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A bit cruel...
Not really, because they have to refer their patients to doctors who donít object to treating patients who sabotage their own treatment.
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Old 03-23-2009, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Not really, because they have to refer their patients to doctors who donít object to treating patients who sabotage their own treatment.
If we're talking about intentionally sabotaging, I don't think it's cruel. But if we're talking about a woman, for example, who simply didn't stop smoking after she got pregnant, yes that's cruel.

Intentionally sabotaging to me means doing something solely with the intent to undermine the treatment....not for any other intent.
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Old 03-23-2009, 11:32 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by afoigrokerkok
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Intentionally sabotaging to me means doing something solely with the intent to undermine the treatment....not for any other intent.
And smoking during a pregnancy is bad for the babies health, so if the woman keeps smoking it can only mean that she finds her addiction more important than her child.
A woman who isn't prepared to do everything in her power to give birth to a baby that is as healthy as possible is simply unfit to be a mother.

I find it perfectly logical to take children away from parents who are addicted, because addicts will always put their addiction as their highest priority, so their children will always end up 2nd or 3rd place.
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Old 03-23-2009, 02:21 PM
 
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um a diet of nothing but beans rice and milk is far from "nutritious enough." Allowance for fruit and veggies (bread is also more than a little reasonable), for ex.
Fruits and veggies are too expensive. This isn't a country club.
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