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Old 04-07-2009, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I think nanny laws are bad for America.

If you want your freedom, you have to take the bad with the good. Every time a nanny law is passed, our freedoms are chipped away just a little more. Eventually, the tree will fall over and everyone will be asking how it could have possibly happened...

Let people raise their kids however they want. What your neighbor feeds their kids for dinner is none of your business. If you keep allowing your representatives to criminalize behavior just because you feel it's inappropriate, how long do you think it'll be before they decide that something you do is inappropriate, and criminalize it?

As the old saying goes, freedom isn't free...
People should have the right to raise their kids however they want for the most part. Once they cross the line into something that endangers the child's health (it's also important to note that most obese kids become obese adults), the law needs to step in.
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Old 04-07-2009, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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People should have the right to raise their kids however they want for the most part. Once they cross the line into something that endangers the child's health (it's also important to note that most obese kids become obese adults), the law needs to step in.
Did you know that it is not illegal to refuse to send your kids to school.
It is not illegal to feed them junk.
It is not illegal to ignore them.
It is not illegal to do lots of things...

...but it IS illegal to knowingly and maliciously hurt a child. A 9 year old who weighs 250 pounds, because his parents thought that he would be less active and easier to handle as a fat child are being malicious.
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Old 04-07-2009, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Did you know that it is not illegal to refuse to send your kids to school.
It is not illegal to feed them junk.
It is not illegal to ignore them.
It is not illegal to do lots of things...

...but it IS illegal to knowingly and maliciously hurt a child. A 9 year old who weighs 250 pounds, because his parents thought that he would be less active and easier to handle as a fat child are being malicious.
It is illegal to refuse to send your kids to school (unless you home school them). It is not illegal to feed them junk, correct. It is illegal to ignore them if it's to the extent of abandonment.

As to the bolded part of your post, I agree 100%.
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Old 04-07-2009, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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People should have the right to raise their kids however they want for the most part. Once they cross the line into something that endangers the child's health (it's also important to note that most obese kids become obese adults), the law needs to step in.
I would only agree with this in the most extreme of cases, when the child has some immediate and life-threatening condition. Simply being overweight is not an immediate and life-threatening condition.

In that case, existing law should adequately cover the situation. For instance, if you didn't seek medical treatment when your child cut his hand off with the table saw in the garage, you should be prosecuted. There was an immediate and life-threatening situation.

There is no need for our representatives to waste their time debating and writing legislation about this. Let people raise their kids their own way, and enforce existing laws.
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Old 04-07-2009, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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It is illegal to refuse to send your kids to school (unless you home school them). It is not illegal to feed them junk, correct. It is illegal to ignore them if it's to the extent of abandonment.

As to the bolded part of your post, I agree 100%.
It is not illegal to refuse to educate them in California. ... really it isn't.
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Texas
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It is not illegal to refuse to educate them in California. ... really it isn't.
Truancy - Attendance Improvement (CA Dept of Education)
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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OK I am wrong...but refusing to send kids to school has a max punishment of only $500!!!!!
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Norwood, MN
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I've said this before and I'll say it again for as long as there is obesity;

Unless you are too young to decide over what you eat and how often you exercise, YOU ARE ONLY AS FAT AS YOU DESERVE TO BE! If you are overweight don't complain! If you do not make the commitments to have a healthy body, then why wonder about your weight?

If you hold your activity and diet at a rate which will make you obese, you get obese.

If you hold your activity and diet at a rate which will make you fit, you get fit.

If you are one of those idiots who blame your genetics or says but it's so hard to stay off the sweets/cake what ever; your head should be ripped off your shoulders because you are making the most worthless excuses a human being possibly can, and you are IMO a disgrace to both human intellect and shape.
Obviously, you have never struggled with your weight.
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Old 04-07-2009, 08:11 PM
 
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I think nanny laws are bad for America.
Actually I agree but I'm frankly sick to death of the word "nanny" being used by people every time they disagree with the idea or enactment of a law that restricts behavior in any way and think people should be allowed to do more or less whatever they want. A government's job, by default if not even definition, is to "nanny" its people to some extent or other.

And remember: people on the whole are often pretty irresponsible and stupid; they NEED such laws - not just to stop/protect them, but others as well.

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Let people raise their kids however they want.
Good idea! Feel like cracking your kid upside the head with a 2-by-4? Maybe just leave them chained up to a pole in the garage for a few weeks when they're bad? Why not? Your kid and it's nobody else's business. Feel like feeding them nothing but lard from a bucket every day? Who the hell is someone else to say you should or shouldn't be allowed? Oh and my favorite, as it's all the rage: feel like spoiling your kid so rotten and letting them do/not do whatever they want such that they quickly become obnoxious out of control brats? Well this one you can rest assured will NEVER be touched by others, let alone the gov't...so go for it!! Why should you have to deal with the conflict and unpleasantness of arguing, yelling at them or punishing them or teaching them proper behavior just because you're the parent?? Course you're screwing that kid up in the head and likely for life if you don't, but nobody can touch you, because it's your right to do so. wheeeeeeee



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What your neighbor feeds their kids for dinner is none of your business. If you keep allowing your representatives to criminalize behavior just because you feel it's inappropriate, how long do you think it'll be before they decide that something you do is inappropriate, and criminalize it?
Thank you Mr Orwell.

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As the old saying goes, freedom isn't free...
True but I have no idea how this applies to what you're saying.

Oh and FYI: freedoms aren't absolute either. Nor should they be.
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:02 PM
 
Location: The Shires
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Who is to blame? SOCIETY!

Look at the facts:

- Most American cities are car-centric
- Fast food joints on every corner
- Most working Americans work far too many hours to be able to focus on their families / a healthy lifestyle
- Fast food is cheaper than genuinely healthy food
- Overweight people are ridiculed and made fun of, which actually makes the problem worse
- Our foods are pumped with all sorts of nasty additives
- Kids are glued to their televisions/video games

Just blaming the obese individual is a cop out, at best. Sure...personal responsibility goes a long way,, but it'd help if society was more geared towards healthy eating, healthy living, exercise and fitness....not the "American way" of scoffing junk food and living a junk lifestyle.
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