U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Great Debates
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 07-20-2009, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Texas
1,848 posts, read 4,119,684 times
Reputation: 1195

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by trmihall01 View Post
We are all unique and intellegent individuals hopefully capable of know what is and is not good for us. Just because someone tells you something doesn't make it truth. People need to stop being sheep. Be responsible for your own self and quit trying to blame everyone else!
I understand, and mainly stand with you BUT, but, but...marketing specialists will tell you that they work really, really hard to convince people that the label on the food they are looking at is the "truth".


You and I would think that MOST people would know that an apple is better than a snickers.

But here comes Joe Shmo who instead of buying the apple or the snickers, buys a breakfast bar with a picture of an apple and the word "healthy" both on the wrapper not knowing that something that proclaims to be healthy really has a bunch of crap in it.

Yes, people are responsible, but these deceptive companies are not helping ya know?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 07-20-2009, 07:40 PM
 
Location: memphis tn
530 posts, read 568,405 times
Reputation: 119
Quote:
Originally Posted by cr1039 View Post
I understand, and mainly stand with you BUT, but, but...marketing specialists will tell you that they work really, really hard to convince people that the label on the food they are looking at is the "truth".


You and I would think that MOST people would know that an apple is better than a snickers.

But here comes Joe Shmo who instead of buying the apple or the snickers, buys a breakfast bar with a picture of an apple and the word "healthy" both on the wrapper not knowing that something that proclaims to be healthy really has a bunch of crap in it.

Yes, people are responsible, but these deceptive companies are not helping ya know?
I totally agree they unfairly market bad foods. Perhaps they should be held responsible for false advertising. But anyone can pick up an object and read the ingredient list and the fat and calorie content and know better. If you can not pronounce and ingredient, dont eat the food. Educate yourself dont just assume research!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-22-2009, 07:31 AM
 
8,798 posts, read 9,623,537 times
Reputation: 6692
There is no real authority out there to inform people about bad foods. Sure we have our Dr.'s , the Surgeon General, Nutritionist, health shows and magazines, but in some respects they are part of the information overload. The food industry is a very large and powerful economic engine in the US and there are not many entities willing to take them on. We have Consumer report to tell us what digital camera not buy or what Vacuum cleaner would be a waste of money. They along with the NTSA will inform you as to which car will most likely kill you.

Who wants to be the big authoritative Meany and inform the American Public that you can live with out eating Meat and bread. Forbes has a list of the most dangerous cars. They don't say "well just don't take them on the highway or don't drive them in rush hour " Most authoritative people in the food health business will tell you that Pop Tarts , potato chips, and hot dogs are fine in moderation. ( some schools serve this stuff)
I think it would go a long way if some one would put out a list of the most dangerous foods in the grocery store
Obese and over weight people basically have succumbed to our most basic drive for fat, sugar, and salt. most addictive foods have all three (sausage,ham,bacon, white bread)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-22-2009, 07:50 AM
 
Location: memphis tn
530 posts, read 568,405 times
Reputation: 119
Quote:
Originally Posted by thriftylefty View Post
There is no real authority out there to inform people about bad foods. Sure we have our Dr.'s , the Surgeon General, Nutritionist, health shows and magazines, but in some respects they are part of the information overload. The food industry is a very large and powerful economic engine in the US and there are not many entities willing to take them on. We have Consumer report to tell us what digital camera not buy or what Vacuum cleaner would be a waste of money. They along with the NTSA will inform you as to which car will most likely kill you.

Who wants to be the big authoritative Meany and inform the American Public that you can live with out eating Meat and bread. Forbes has a list of the most dangerous cars. They don't say "well just don't take them on the highway or don't drive them in rush hour " Most authoritative people in the food health business will tell you that Pop Tarts , potato chips, and hot dogs are fine in moderation. ( some schools serve this stuff)
I think it would go a long way if some one would put out a list of the most dangerous foods in the grocery store
Obese and over weight people basically have succumbed to our most basic drive for fat, sugar, and salt. most addictive foods have all three (sausage,ham,bacon, white bread)
If it didnt grow from a plant dont eat it. if it has been processed dont eat it. It is not difficult. If it has more than 5 ingredients you probably shouldnt eat it. For sure if you can not pronounce them dont eat them. Do not eat dairy, it is bad for you and cheese is very addictive. Meat is aweful and pork and turkey are then two worst, dont eat them. If they have been bleached ( white bread, pasta and refined sugar) dont eat them. 2/3 of your shopping should be done at the front of the store in the fruit/veg section. You should try when you can to shop at an organic store or farmers market. Eat only whole grains and as much of your food as raw as possible. This is not rocket science, everyone knows COKES are BAD for you and the diet ones help to make you FATTER! We are a nation of sheep. Stop watching tv, dont buy something because of a comercial. If McD's is convienient and thats your excuse then an apple and some almonds are even more convienient. They are already fixed, healthy and portion controlled for the most part. Water is everywhere. Dont like the lack of taste put a lemon , lime, or some berries in it. Everyone in america needs to do a body cleanse and rid your body of the yeast overgrowth in your intestines, then you will stop craving sugar. I could go on and on for days about this. I could write books about this. If it doesnt come from nature in its most natural form, don't eat it, plain and simple.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-22-2009, 10:09 AM
 
48,897 posts, read 39,392,211 times
Reputation: 30554
Quote:
Originally Posted by thriftylefty View Post
There is no real authority out there to inform people about bad foods. Sure we have our Dr.'s , the Surgeon General, Nutritionist, health shows and magazines, but in some respects they are part of the information overload. The food industry is a very large and powerful economic engine in the US and there are not many entities willing to take them on. We have Consumer report to tell us what digital camera not buy or what Vacuum cleaner would be a waste of money. They along with the NTSA will inform you as to which car will most likely kill you.

Who wants to be the big authoritative Meany and inform the American Public that you can live with out eating Meat and bread. Forbes has a list of the most dangerous cars. They don't say "well just don't take them on the highway or don't drive them in rush hour " Most authoritative people in the food health business will tell you that Pop Tarts , potato chips, and hot dogs are fine in moderation. ( some schools serve this stuff)
I think it would go a long way if some one would put out a list of the most dangerous foods in the grocery store
Obese and over weight people basically have succumbed to our most basic drive for fat, sugar, and salt. most addictive foods have all three (sausage,ham,bacon, white bread)
I watched an obese gal eat 5 McDoubles the other day....thats more than a days worth of calories in one sitting with about 50% from fat. Too bad she didn't know that it wasn't a healthy choice.

I call BULL when people say "they don't know". I have several REALLY overweight friends and they all *know* they eat too much, eat the wrong things and don't exercise enough.

A list of dangerous foods? Please, everyone already knows this...they just are comfortable with their lifestyle and aren't motivated to change.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-22-2009, 10:50 AM
 
3,700 posts, read 3,027,760 times
Reputation: 10007
As I grew up in an era of "slow foods," and very little "disposable income", I am, of course, shocked at todays abundance of fast food and the extra $$$ that people have to waste on such crap.

I went to a stock car race the other day and I could not believe what kind of junk was being consumed by my fellow American's. Looking around, I noticed this diet must be the usual fare for most folk's. The obesity ratio appeared to be around 6 to 1, I realize the event itself is an attraction for those people in the lower economic strata who are the target audience for junk food ads, but even when that is taken into account, it's still hard to reconcile the damage done to these people with the fact that such foods are even allowed by law.

The fact that we are inundated with high fat, high sugar, food advertising, coupled with an acceptance of a sedentary lifestyle, means we have a formula for a health care disaster waiting in the wings for our children. To be critical of these obese folk's without acknowledging the present day changes in our family and work lives would be ignoring the huge presence of a food factory/convenience mentality that has invaded the minds of our countrymen.

I fully realize the suicidal aspect of obesity, when faced with the prospect of becoming gravely ill or dying due to this condition, many will choose the road they have taken in the past and ignore the negatives of such a diet.

Certain drugs are illegal due to their negative impact on our society, I would think we could, at the very least, have a conversation about the food we allow to enter the market mainstream.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-22-2009, 10:53 AM
 
8,798 posts, read 9,623,537 times
Reputation: 6692
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathguy View Post
I watched an obese gal eat 5 McDoubles the other day....thats more than a days worth of calories in one sitting with about 50% from fat. Too bad she didn't know that it wasn't a healthy choice.

I call BULL when people say "they don't know". I have several REALLY overweight friends and they all *know* they eat too much, eat the wrong things and don't exercise enough.

A list of dangerous foods? Please, everyone already knows this...they just are comfortable with their lifestyle and aren't motivated to change.
With all due respect people don't know. I can't tell you how many diabetics keep candy around to keep their blood sugar balanced, Dr.'s quit calling the disease "sugar diabetes" for that reason. I know people who's cholesterol is well in the heart attack zone who don't know to stop eating animal products. I talked to an other wise intelligent man who thought his gall bladder problem could be solved by eating more fat in order to give it "something to do. " I knew a man who bragged to me about 15 years ago "I'm a meat 'n potatoes man, I never eat green vegetables" he needs a heart today. I used to preach to people 25-30 years ago, its too exhausting now. When I grew up I used to hear the phrase "you're digging your grave with a spoon" I know people are not as aware of the seemly obvious out comes of bad food habits. These habits are handed down in families and to change them is in a way a rejection of food traditions we cherish as good and wholesome memories, Just like the foods we associate with them.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-22-2009, 11:44 AM
 
1,704 posts, read 2,951,177 times
Reputation: 592
So at what point do we start cherishing our cardiac caths as good wholesome memories?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-22-2009, 12:45 PM
 
48,897 posts, read 39,392,211 times
Reputation: 30554
Quote:
Originally Posted by thriftylefty View Post
With all due respect people don't know. I can't tell you how many diabetics keep candy around to keep their blood sugar balanced, Dr.'s quit calling the disease "sugar diabetes" for that reason. I know people who's cholesterol is well in the heart attack zone who don't know to stop eating animal products. I talked to an other wise intelligent man who thought his gall bladder problem could be solved by eating more fat in order to give it "something to do. " I knew a man who bragged to me about 15 years ago "I'm a meat 'n potatoes man, I never eat green vegetables" he needs a heart today. I used to preach to people 25-30 years ago, its too exhausting now. When I grew up I used to hear the phrase "you're digging your grave with a spoon" I know people are not as aware of the seemly obvious out comes of bad food habits. These habits are handed down in families and to change them is in a way a rejection of food traditions we cherish as good and wholesome memories, Just like the foods we associate with them.
I've heard the same comments from a relative...who now poops into a bag and has gout. (He isn't 50 yet) He absolutely knew his eating wasn't healthy but he liked to make comments like "meat and potatos" because it was his excuse to do what he wanted and not make changes.

Irregardless, people have the right to be ignorant...to eat McDonalds until the die....to make thier own choices in life. Free country and all that.

My kids are at least getting tons of nutritional info in school...even still there are a couple obese kids in their class. Oh well, personal responsibility.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-22-2009, 12:51 PM
 
48,897 posts, read 39,392,211 times
Reputation: 30554
Quote:
Originally Posted by jertheber View Post
As I grew up in an era of "slow foods," and very little "disposable income", I am, of course, shocked at todays abundance of fast food and the extra $$$ that people have to waste on such crap.

I went to a stock car race the other day and I could not believe what kind of junk was being consumed by my fellow American's. Looking around, I noticed this diet must be the usual fare for most folk's. The obesity ratio appeared to be around 6 to 1, I realize the event itself is an attraction for those people in the lower economic strata who are the target audience for junk food ads, but even when that is taken into account, it's still hard to reconcile the damage done to these people with the fact that such foods are even allowed by law.

The fact that we are inundated with high fat, high sugar, food advertising, coupled with an acceptance of a sedentary lifestyle, means we have a formula for a health care disaster waiting in the wings for our children. To be critical of these obese folk's without acknowledging the present day changes in our family and work lives would be ignoring the huge presence of a food factory/convenience mentality that has invaded the minds of our countrymen.

I fully realize the suicidal aspect of obesity, when faced with the prospect of becoming gravely ill or dying due to this condition, many will choose the road they have taken in the past and ignore the negatives of such a diet.

Certain drugs are illegal due to their negative impact on our society, I would think we could, at the very least, have a conversation about the food we allow to enter the market mainstream.
Sorry, I ran 5 miles Saturday....later that day I ate a dove bar and a margarita. The reality of the situation is that you can't legislate Dove Bars and Margarita's because my 400lb neighbor decided to eat a box of them, wash it down with a 12 pack of coca cola and then make a McDonalds run...their only departure from the couch\chair all day.

Let the people who have the problem deal with it...don't get into my business because of the addictions of others.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Great Debates
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top