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Old 07-25-2009, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Dude, thin and slender are DIFFERENT than UNDERWEIGHT
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Old 07-25-2009, 11:43 AM
 
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I didn't say all I ate was crap. I'm just not a fanatic and a food nazi like you, who assumes that everything they do should be etched in stone on every mountaintop. In my mind, I can have my 'feelgood' reaction with a glass of milk and you can have your 'feelgood' reaction from you baby carrot sticks (BTW, how do you think that innocent carrot felt when it was yanked from mother earth?). But for folks like you, that's not good enough.

And if you want to get personal about 'lard butts' and exercise, I'd be happy to compare weights and exercise regimens via PM (this thread is not the place to do that). I could be wrong, but I'll bet I weigh less than you and exercise more than you, even though I may not be perfect like you.

BTW, you'd better lay off that damn beer. That stuff is bad for you. Even when I was a kid, I didn't like beer. I always preferred water, milk, or a soda pop. There are additives in that beer you are drinking. They put them in there to keep you hooked. That's probably why it tastes so good to you. I've had several friends whose lives were ruined by beer. I am glad that you drink what you like, we all should, but not if it will cost you your life.
I am pretty sure it isn't 'additives' that gets you hooked on beer...the alcohol does that by itself. Let's also realize weight alone is inadequate to go on. If you exercise a lot, are thin and fit, but still eat high fat, high sodium diets (like fast food/frozen processed food) you will still have health problems down the road. It isn't about being a 'food nazi', it is about preventing a coronary from happening later on.

I am sure your exercise regimen is impressive, but I bike to work and back every day (1 hr 40 min/day of biking) as well as run 30-40 min 5 days a week, and just a month ago I found out my blood pressure is very high. Why? Diet. I can stay thin my whole life through exercise, but if you eat the wrong kinds of food, you will still be unhealthy. This is fairly common knowledge, you can eat whatever you want, but don't have an attitude that you are better than people who really watch what they eat simply because you work out a little. Your 'holier than thou' attitude is surprising, given your apparent lack of knowledge on this subject.
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Old 07-25-2009, 11:56 AM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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I am pretty sure it isn't 'additives' that gets you hooked on beer...the alcohol does that by itself. Let's also realize weight alone is inadequate to go on. If you exercise a lot, are thin and fit, but still eat high fat, high sodium diets (like fast food/frozen processed food) you will still have health problems down the road. It isn't about being a 'food nazi', it is about preventing a coronary from happening later on.

I am sure your exercise regimen is impressive, but I bike to work and back every day (1 hr 40 min/day of biking) as well as run 30-40 min 5 days a week, and just a month ago I found out my blood pressure is very high. Why? Diet. I can stay thin my whole life through exercise, but if you eat the wrong kinds of food, you will still be unhealthy. This is fairly common knowledge, you can eat whatever you want, but don't have an attitude that you are better than people who really watch what they eat simply because you work out a little. Your 'holier than thou' attitude is surprising, given your apparent lack of knowledge on this subject.
The beer comment was sarcasm.

I have no holier than thou attitude. My point is the antithesis to that. It is LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE. This is a free country and the holier than thou's are the ones who want to legislate your diet. Don't worry about what I eat, worry about what the food nazi eats, because that's what you will be forced to eat. If I had a holier than thou attitude about it, I'd be trying to talk you all into eating what I eat, which I am not doing. I don't care. What I do care about is people going out of their way to tell me (and everybody else) what to eat and do. Whatever you or anybody else does in their eating habits is fine by me. Tell me how that is holier than thou?
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Old 07-25-2009, 12:00 PM
 
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Personally, if some one accepts the health risks of being heavy...they can eat WTF they please. Same thing with any drug or over consumption of good, that it's their choice and their business. At some point people need to accept responsibility that they know the risk and they choose to do it anyways, obesity is just getting to that point, while drugs and smoking people should know by now.
I agree with you. We should be allowed to eat and drink what we want to eat.

Unfortunately, we all "pay" for people with avoidable health problems. We also "pay" for people who drink excessively, etc.
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Old 07-25-2009, 05:05 PM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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I am simply stating what people do and should know. The truth of the matter is dont come to me complaining that your a lard butt and then procede to eat half a large supreme pizza and wash it down with a pitcher of coke and expect any different.
This might sound odd to you, but I never eat meat except the occasional sushi. Look at our teeth we are not ment to eat meat, plus i have the killing of innocent animals problem and the hormone antibotic and chemical problem with non organic meat. I never really cared for it much. Not even when I was young. Cheese and other dairy products are additive, the cows release a hormone (enzyme) that when metablolized by the human body gives you a feel good reaction. Thats what probably makes those cheeseburgers from McD's taste sooo good.
Even as a child I would have rather eaten an apple or tomato than candy. Everyones taste buds are different. I am glad that you eat what you like, we all should, but not if that love of food will cost you your life. I like beer. but there are people who cant drink it because they can not handle having one or two. This country is stupid when it comes to moderation and portion control.
As for the 5 ingredient rule. I ment for packaged foods. Not if your making something in your kitchen from seperate ingredients.
How wonderful for you that you can eat crap, brag about it , and still be "healthy".The funny things is that I see tons of guys like you every year, they eat basicially crap but they exercise and think they are healthy as a horse. I usually see them first when I have to walk in their exam room and say sir your having a heart attack, we need to rush you to the cath lab. Or the other time is as i'm pronouncing time of death and the family is just in shock...he seemed so healthy.
I think my posts here may have led to some false impressions about what I’ve been trying to say. I am not advocating junk food and I never said all I eat is crap. What I am saying is that demonizing food (of whatever type) is not helpful. But there is more to it that that, so here is my argument in broader terms:

Rather than sniping back and forth, let me try to explain why I think my diet ‘theory’ (I’m not a dietician or nutritionist) might have a better chance at keeping weight off or taking it off for the average person. Before I explain my theory (I’ve stated it already several times on this thread; it’s very simple), let me mention your personal approach and mine, and why neither of our approaches is helpful for most people.

Your approach is to eat only things you can grow, are not cooked, and have no processing. I claim that, although this may be healthy, it is not at all reasonable for MOST people. If the average person takes your advice, he/she might last a week. The problem is (as you admitted) that we all have different tastes. Raw foods, vegetables, and fruits are not to everyone’s liking--certainly not if restricted to ONLY those foods. So, your advice is just not that helpful for most folks even though it works for you (which is great).

As for myself, I’m a little like you said you were as a kid except I have always loved grains, corn, potatoes, rice, oats, breads (and tortillas, lefse, etc). Right now my diet consists mainly of these sorts of things (oatmeal, corn, breads, and I love gruel!). That’s not all I eat, but it’s a big share. I’m not all that much into meat. I do like fish and chicken once in a while, but I’ll tell you, I don’t even remember the last time I had a big steak--probably two or three years. So my diet is mainly a high-carb diet. When the big low-carb thing came out a few years back, I just shook my head. That would eliminate almost everything I eat. Plus, it was nothing but a fad: the traditionally thinnest regions of the world typically have a very high carb diet.

Now, I think you can see that what you eat or what I eat, although they work for us, would not work for everybody. Most folks don’t want to live on veggies like you or oatmeal like me. SO... given that our diets aren’t going to fly for most people, my ‘theory’ is this:

1) REDUCE CALORIES. The primary factor of weight gain/loss is number of calories consumed. It doesn’t matter how you are getting them, if you cut them down, you are going to loose weight. You can experiment with the mixture of carbs, protein, and fats all you want, but the bottom line is calories.

2) MODERATION. Demonizing a given food is not helpful. Moderation is the key. If I eat a doughnut once a month, it will not kill me and it is not a sin. (note: I am not advocating living out of Burger King. That is not moderation)

3) EXERCISE. Exercise will markedly improve overall health and will aid in any calorie-reduced diet for weight loss.

In essence: MOVE MORE AND EAT LESS.





Now, please tell me which part of this is bad advice. Also tell me which approach has a better chance of working for most people out there--they can live on fruit and vegetables like you, they can live on oatmeal like me, or they can reduce their intake of a variety of foods that they enjoy. Which will appeal to more folks?

As was mentioned by another poster, I am no expert in nutrition, but I have read plenty of medical studies that advocate exactly what I have just shown (in essense). In fact here is an article advocating the high-carb sort of diet I have: High-Carb, Low-Fat Diet Drops Pound a Week
Yes it’s a bit old, but the principle isn’t going to change.



Footnote: FYI, I am exaggerating when I say you live on carrot sticks and I live on oatmeal. We both know that’s not possible. I’m just pointing to the types of foods we like.
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Old 07-25-2009, 11:34 PM
 
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The beer comment was sarcasm.

I have no holier than thou attitude. My point is the antithesis to that. It is LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE. This is a free country and the holier than thou's are the ones who want to legislate your diet. Don't worry about what I eat, worry about what the food nazi eats, because that's what you will be forced to eat. If I had a holier than thou attitude about it, I'd be trying to talk you all into eating what I eat, which I am not doing. I don't care. What I do care about is people going out of their way to tell me (and everybody else) what to eat and do. Whatever you or anybody else does in their eating habits is fine by me. Tell me how that is holier than thou?
When my tax money pays for the poor health decisions other people make, when my insurance premiums go up because my insurance company has to pay out for a bypass surgery for someone who just plain eats poorly, yes, this is my concern. I would agree with you, but other people's decisions affect the people who do everything right.
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Old 07-25-2009, 11:36 PM
 
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I would agree with you, but other people's decisions affect the people who do everything right.
And that's what you call Socialism. The people who make good choices have to pay triple so that those who make bad choices never suffer for making those bad choices.
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Old 07-26-2009, 09:22 PM
 
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I agree with you. We should be allowed to eat and drink what we want to eat.

Unfortunately, we all "pay" for people with avoidable health problems. We also "pay" for people who drink excessively, etc.
Actually, the irony is that many people that don't care for themselves could, in fact be less of a burden on the government than you think. Quick deaths due to heart attacks, liver failure etc at pre-retirement ages is not uncommon. If you take pristine care of yourself, have good genes and are lucky...you get to rack up medicare costs for decades (like many of my great grandparents, one set had a 75th wedding anniversay!) not only that, they draw a social sec. pension.

lol. My joking solution to social security is cigarettes, lots and lots of free cigarettes....and bacon.
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Old 07-26-2009, 09:33 PM
 
Location: The Shires
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When my tax money pays for the poor health decisions other people make, when my insurance premiums go up because my insurance company has to pay out for a bypass surgery for someone who just plain eats poorly, yes, this is my concern. I would agree with you, but other people's decisions affect the people who do everything right.
Worry more about your insurance premiums going up because of corporate greed.
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Old 07-26-2009, 09:33 PM
 
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Actually, the irony is that many people that don't care for themselves could, in fact be less of a burden on the government than you think. Quick deaths due to heart attacks, liver failure etc at pre-retirement ages is not uncommon. If you take pristine care of yourself, have good genes and are lucky...you get to rack up medicare costs for decades (like many of my great grandparents, one set had a 75th wedding anniversay!) not only that, they draw a social sec. pension.

lol. My joking solution to social security is cigarettes, lots and lots of free cigarettes....and bacon.
Bring on the bacon!

Then there are, of course, guys like my dad. 73-years old. Won't retire from farming because he just doesn't feel like it - and nobody is going to tell him what to do! He's too busy to go to the doctor, and to the best of my knowledge, hasn't set foot inside a doctors' office or hospital for, well... I have no idea how long. Pretty amazing, really.
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