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Old 07-26-2009, 09:35 PM
 
Location: The Shires
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And that's what you call Socialism. The people who make good choices have to pay triple so that those who make bad choices never suffer for making those bad choices.
As a human being, who (honestly) goes through life making 100% "good choices". While that applies to some cases, some people are just plain lucky, while others are unlucky. You cannot attribute everything to choices, when the choices of others are far more limited than you may perceive them to be.

Some of you are far too hung up on this "poor decision making" nonsense, so much so, that it's actually becoming too much of a bore to even try to debate as it's like trying to have a conversation with a stuck record.
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Old 07-26-2009, 09:42 PM
 
Location: I think my user name clarifies that.
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As a human being, who (honestly) goes through life making 100% "good choices". While that applies to some cases, some people are just plain lucky, while others are unlucky. You cannot attribute everything to choices, when the choices of others are far more limited than you may perceive them to be.

Some of you are far too hung up on this "poor decision making" nonsense, so much so, that it's actually becoming too much of a bore to even try to debate as it's like trying to have a conversation with a stuck record.
Then do whatever stupid thing you want, and expect the government to pay for it.
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Old 07-26-2009, 09:44 PM
 
Location: The Shires
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Then do whatever stupid thing you want, and expect the government to pay for it.
O K
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Old 07-26-2009, 09:48 PM
 
Location: New England
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I just watched a show on E! channel (lol- to take a break), and really cannot believe how many shows are on obese people, just tracking their daily lives.

IMO obesity in America is epidemic, I see 12 year old kids where I currently live, that weigh like 300 lbs., eat at Hardee's, and you should see the contents of the food carts at Kroger ...

Arent we at the point, where people should be educated enough about nutrition? Or do some people honestly think that Coca Cola, high fructose corn syrup, additives, poisons and fatty dairy foods are all just fine?.....

Its really sad, I dont understand parents, especially, who feed this trash to their kids.
Being educated won't do anything to solve the war against obesity; as sex ed won't solve teenagers getting knocked up from one night stands. The only person really to blame for weight gain that isn't genetic is themselves.

I struggle with my weight everyday and always make poor choices. I go to the gym as much as I can to curb the weight gain, and its an unhealthy cycle.

If anything, those shows about RUBY should really inspire to lose weight. Plus, looking like a slob isn't too great.
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:14 PM
 
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I am totally thinking outloud about this....

It seems there are many problems caused by
current generations having less self control than past generations.

Crime
Credit Card Dept
Obesity (yes it takes self control to eat heathy)
Owning more house than you can afford
Cheating on spouses

What if permissive parenting fails to teach self control and
leads into these problems.

Maybe strict parenting produces adults with more self control.

What do you think??
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Old 07-27-2009, 06:16 AM
 
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Worry more about your insurance premiums going up because of corporate greed.
lol, I work for one of those 'greedy corporations', and I can guarantee people raise the costs through poor lifestyles more than any 'corporate greed'. My company (won't say the name, but 40,000+ employees, fortune 250, etc.) has had negative operating earnings for over a year and a half. In the last 8 months over 10,000 people have been laid off. 'Corporate greed' is nonexistant. Right now, it is just about finding a way to survive, and yet ignorant people like yourself blindly claim that any corporation is greedy and evil.

Stop blaming insurance companies and take personal responsibility.
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Old 07-27-2009, 09:21 AM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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Stop blaming insurance companies and take personal responsibility.
I agree with you completely about taking personal responsibility for weight control. Ultimately, it's the person holding the twinkie (and stuffing it it their mouth) that is responsible for the consequence. We may not agree on the specific dietary details, but we agree on the rest.

However... and I'm not trying to be a jerk... if we truly took complete responsibility for ourselves, would there even be such a thing as an insurance company? Isn't an insurance company a 'group responsibility' scheme where the group provides for you in your time of need? (and of course, you are paying to be a part of that group) I'm not saying it's good or bad, just pointing that out... meaning none of us take 100% personal responsibility for ourselves. AGAIN, I agree on the personal responsibility issue for weight and health.
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Old 07-27-2009, 09:29 AM
 
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I agree with you completely about taking personal responsibility for weight control. Ultimately, it's the person holding the twinkie (and stuffing it it their mouth) that is responsible for the consequence. We may not agree on the specific dietary details, but we agree on the rest.

However... and I'm not trying to be a jerk... if we truly took complete responsibility for ourselves, would there even be such a thing as an insurance company? Isn't an insurance company a 'group responsibility' scheme where the group provides for you in your time of need? (and of course, you are paying to be a part of that group) I'm not saying it's good or bad, just pointing that out... meaning none of us take 100% personal responsibility for ourselves. AGAIN, I agree on the personal responsibility issue for weight and health.
I agree with you to an extent, however the world isn't that black and white. wouldn't taking personal responsibility to the extreme mean we have to grow our own food as well? After all, grocery stores are just ways for people who are too lazy to grow their own vegetables to get others to do their work for them, right?
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Old 07-27-2009, 10:10 AM
 
Location: lala land
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I blame McDonalds and their addictive hamburgers!
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:54 PM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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I agree with you to an extent, however the world isn't that black and white. wouldn't taking personal responsibility to the extreme mean we have to grow our own food as well? After all, grocery stores are just ways for people who are too lazy to grow their own vegetables to get others to do their work for them, right?
Yes, exactly. I guess the gray area is where to draw that line... which of course takes us back to the guy eating a couple dozen Ding Dongs per day. He's obviously on the wrong side of the line no matter where it is!
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