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Old 11-25-2008, 08:19 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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I see a lot of talk on these threads on how someone is being "elitist". So that begs the question, what's wrong with being elite?

Aren't we taught as children that we should always try to be the best we can be? Aren't we told in this country that the dream of being an American is that anyone can grow up to be anything they want? Don't we work hard in high school so we can go to an Elite college so we can get an elite job so we can send our children to elite schools? If those are all true, how is being an "elitist" a bad thing?
Good question! As was mentioned, it has became a "political" term now, used mainly by conservatives to denigrate folks who don't agree with their more fundamentalist and "anti-intellectual" side (i.e., the "base", "Joe Six-pack", "faith-based" voters, etc.). For example, especially in the run up to the election, it was a frequent tool for dismissing anyone who criticized Sarah (wink-wink) Palin. So, yeah, I can see how not tolerating ignorance might seem "elitist" to some!

Nice to see some open questioning and "laundering" of these old hackneyed tools of "conservative-speak".
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:28 PM
 
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Having more money does not make anyone better than others, except in the eye of the elitist.
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:51 PM
 
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Elitism is when you show an overwhelming disdain for anyone who isnt self-absorbed, independently wealthy, secular, conservative loathing, pro life hating, Bible burners.

Ex. Sarah Palin

Sarah Palin hunts moose.
Elitist: Sarah Palin is a barbaric mongoloid with blood flowing from her mouth.

Sarah Palin is from Alaska.
Elitist: Sarah Palin is from a backwater hickstate with a low Starbucks/Sax 5th Ave. density per capita.

Sarah Palin has children.
Elitist: Sarah Palin is a 'white trash flousie' who still thinks its okay to think about someone other than herself and what her body will look like after children and procreate.

Sarah Palin is pro-life.
Elitist: Sarah Palin believes in removing the eyeballs of all women that have abortions.

Sarah Palin went to University of Idaho.
Elitist: What is Idaho?


*If this post made you upset, you are either Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi or you have no sense of humor.

Last edited by PanhandleOkie; 11-25-2008 at 08:52 PM.. Reason: People would take this too seriously and send me hatemail. :)
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Old 11-26-2008, 08:42 AM
 
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Republicans using the term "elite" as a rap is pure Goebbels-speak seeing as the GOP represents Big Business and the Country Club set. But there ain't enough millionaires to put the GOP in office so they have to pander to White Trash foolish enough to put Guns and God ahead of their wallets. Something a REAL Republican would never do.
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Old 11-26-2008, 09:10 AM
 
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Having more money does not make anyone better than others, except in the eye of the elitist.
It wasn't about more money...it was more about education. The "elitist" term is thrown most at Ivy Leaguers, but isn't the goal of every parent to send their child to an Ivy League school (or Stanford, Duke, Emory, Northwestern or another ELITE school) and for them to succeed? After all, they were calling Obama "elitist" and not McCain, even though McCain came from a family with two generations of Admirals behind him (first in American history, that's pretty elite), the US Naval Academy (an Elite school) and a pile of wealth that makes John Edwards look poor. That's more what I am talking about. Like how John Kerry was "elitist" and how Bush wasn't, even though his daddy was president and his great-great-great grandfather on his mother's side was ALSO president.

Keep in mind, I am a registered republican who believes in small government and I tend to vote Libertarian in every election because I don't really like the Democratic or Republican parties...
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Old 11-26-2008, 09:40 AM
 
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Elitism is when you show an overwhelming disdain for anyone who isnt self-absorbed, independently wealthy, secular, conservative loathing, pro life hating, Bible burners.

Ex. Sarah Palin

Sarah Palin hunts moose.
Elitist: Sarah Palin is a barbaric mongoloid with blood flowing from her mouth.

*If this post made you upset, you are either Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi or you have no sense of humor.
Sounds like an "elitist" is anybody who doesn't think like you.

Ex. Sarah Palin, candidate for Vice President of the United States.
Elitist: "She should at least know something about foreign policy or the Bush Doctrine."
Anti-elitist (a.k.a. " Americans who don't know sh*t "): "No worries, she's one of us. Uh, wait, you mean Bush is a Doctor...?"

*If this post made you upset, you are either Rush Limbaugh/Ann Coulter or you have no sense of humor.
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Old 11-26-2008, 10:08 AM
 
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There's nothing wrong with being "elite." Being the best at things is what made this country great. And it is why we are the greatest country on this earth.

There's something wrong with being "elitist," thinking that you're better than other people and refusing to acknowledge that other people have value as well.

Many liberals are elitists, they believe they're intellectually and socially superior to people who don't share their beliefs. There are elite Conservatives and elite Liberals, but it's only the Liberals who believe that their vote at the ballot box proves them superior to the rest of us.
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Old 11-26-2008, 10:27 AM
 
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There's nothing wrong with being "elite." Being the best at things is what made this country great. And it is why we are the greatest country on this earth.

There's something wrong with being "elitist," thinking that you're better than other people and refusing to acknowledge that other people have value as well.

Many liberals are elitists, they believe they're intellectually and socially superior to people who don't share their beliefs. There are elite Conservatives and elite Liberals, but it's only the Liberals who believe that their vote at the ballot box proves them superior to the rest of us.
That's simply not true. How do you explain the "real Americans" comment. Isn't THAT elitist? A lot of those voters who voted for McCain-Palin did so thinking that THEY were the ones keeping America safe from the evil Obama. Generally it's used by Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Coulter to discredit people who did well in school and were able to attend an Ivy League school. Or those who use big words and talk to people like they are intelligent and not like they are idiots.
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Old 11-26-2008, 11:12 AM
 
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That's simply not true. How do you explain the "real Americans" comment. Isn't THAT elitist? A lot of those voters who voted for McCain-Palin did so thinking that THEY were the ones keeping America safe from the evil Obama. Generally it's used by Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Coulter to discredit people who did well in school and were able to attend an Ivy League school. Or those who use big words and talk to people like they are intelligent and not like they are idiots.
So calling out people for being elitist is now being elitist?

Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, and Coulter don't attack people for seeking education and do well in life. This is yet another lie being put forward by the left, the myth of "Right wing anti-intellectualism." The Right encourages people to seek education, but there's a difference between education and indoctrination.

It's the Right who point out the oppressive "speech codes" on campuses that punish free speech. It's the Right that points out the outright bias of many college professors against Conservative ideas. It's the Right that has to demonstrate the misstatements and outright lies in "documentaries" such as "Fahrenheit 9/11" and "An Inconvenient Truth."

Ann Coulter is a graduate of one of the top law schools in this country. Rush Limbaugh speaks about the benefits of college, while saying it wasn't right for him. Sean Hannity speaks about working his way through college and the great sense of achievement he received. O'Reilly continuously speaks about his educational background.

But none of those people use their education to bash others. When is the last time you heard Ann Coulter disparage someone for attending a less prestigious school? When did George Bush use his academic credentials - Harvard and Yale - to attack his political opponents, or use their lack of academic credentials against them?
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Old 11-26-2008, 12:48 PM
 
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But none of those people use their education to bash others. When is the last time you heard Ann Coulter disparage someone for attending a less prestigious school? When did George Bush use his academic credentials - Harvard and Yale - to attack his political opponents, or use their lack of academic credentials against them?

Christ Zman, most of the liberals I know are boilermakers, pipefitters and carpenters, none of whom went to Harvard.

What pisses me off about Hannity and O'Reilly is seeing Irish guys being apologetic lapdogs for the wealthy and powerful. The Irish generally have the guts to stand up to such people, not be their servile lickspittles. Of course there's always been a handy living for those who can defend evil.
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