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Old 11-30-2008, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Heartland Florida
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If truly all people are equal, why has every society had a hierarchy of leadership just like in the animal kingdom? Never in history has a group of humans lived as equals, where everyone has equal access to resources and equal rights under law. Is the lack of equality genetic, or was it simply a "first come first serve" system where a few grabbed everything at the expense of others? Why do successful communities eventually break down into the haves and have nots?
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Old 11-30-2008, 10:41 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Simply because equality ( like safety) is an illusion.
Only 1 can be right ( or more right).
Besidez, humanity still is a herd animal (who easily panics and turns into a stampede).
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Old 11-30-2008, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Just coordination, just mob rule is useless to get to an end that requires a number of people. I've found 5 or more if people are off the street (but depends on the people really)...10 is iffy unless they are experienced in doing things together (easier with repetitive tasks), 25 not possible. People need to define the roles and set them to do things in each area, as more and more people come in and the goal is more complex (and longer time frame) you need a better and better manager to get things done....better to get people motivated to do quality work.

It is needed to make sure to take the whole and break a project down into steps into workable steps, make sure everyone knows what they are doing and when it's needed, and be sure the people are doing it (also doing it right).
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Old 12-01-2008, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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The Pilgrims of the Mayflower had leaders before they escaped English law. Before arriving to America, they created a "Compact" which stated that they would choose their own leaders and make their own laws. It said nothing of people being equal, especially since some of them were actually indentured servants already. The Compact merely said that the men would have equal justice. The women weren't allowed any voice in the decisions.
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Old 12-01-2008, 11:18 AM
 
Location: vagabond
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as tricky said, equality is an illusion; it is a social construct that says (ideally) that every person starts off as a social equal, with the same freedoms and rights, and the same responsibilities.

this equality speaks nothing of mental or emotional capacity, of selflessness versus selfishness, of intelligence versus ignorance, of dedicated work versus lazy inactivity. all of these things become immediate obstacles to our ideal of equality–and this is just the beginning.

not only do the fools among humanity make it harder for themselves to be seen as equals, but they also bring down those of their posterity–irregardless of the mental and emotional potential of the future generations–and even to some degree, they make it harder for those around them. maybe stupidity spreads by osmosis.

there are other factors that break the equality ideal as well, but this is the immediate flaw.

subsound also got it right with the idea that management is absolutely necessary for a large entity to exist. even our own bodies are broken down into authoritative and subservient roles, as is the lifestyle of just about every social animal on the planet. humans are no different.

as to the last two of the op's questions, i think he already knows the answer to that: power begets corruption. humans have fragile egos and the capacity for amazing acts of arrogance and selfishness. the ideal of equality just keeps getting farther and farther away...

aaron out.
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Old 12-01-2008, 11:24 AM
 
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If truly all people are equal, why has every society had a hierarchy of leadership just like in the animal kingdom? Never in history has a group of humans lived as equals, where everyone has equal access to resources and equal rights under law. Is the lack of equality genetic, or was it simply a "first come first serve" system where a few grabbed everything at the expense of others? Why do successful communities eventually break down into the haves and have nots?
Because in the long run it's a lot easier to leave the decisions up to someone in charge, rather than make them all for yourself or have to coordinate with your neighbors to make a general consensus.
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Old 12-01-2008, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Wyoming
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ORGANIZATION.

Corporations don't hire managers because they want to pay someone big bucks; they do it to provide organization within the corporation.

We hire (elect) our politicians to provide organization for our cities, counties, states and federal government. The politicians, in turn, hire managers to help them provide that organization.

Without good leadership you have chaos.

Some people seem to be natural leaders; others can learn to be leaders. Anyone who wants to become a leader can become one, as there are plenty who prefer the roll of the worker bee.
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Old 12-02-2008, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The role of the leader is pretty risky too, the higher up you go the more damage a bad decision can do. More risk is usually more pay, though some managers think it's because they are better then the people below them (Bernie Ebbers *cough*).
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Old 12-02-2008, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Organization, faster decision making, and the fact that people are not actually equal.
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Old 12-02-2008, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Of all the creatures on this planet, which other ones besides humans have any concept like equality? Maybe we're the ones who've got it wrong! (And I think ZugZub was onto something; the laziness factor has to be taken into account).
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