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Old 01-28-2011, 12:31 PM
Location: Here.
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Holy crap! Is this thread a joke or are people really that uninformed? (with a few exceptions). Poor countries are often Catholic because Catholics often go there to help relieve suffering, and people in those countries often convert to Catholicism. If Catholics had not reached out to those countries, they would have been accused of being hypocrites and those countries would be in even more dire condition. Rarely do these countries approach anything resembling a Catholic theocracy. Catholics have done more to relieve the burden of poverty than any other institution on earth.

The populations are high in poor countries often because the people have a tradition of not having monogamous relationships or not factoring in financial responsibility when deciding to have kids. Italy, the home of Catholicism, has a negative population growth rate. It should also be noted that until child labor laws, children often contributed more wealth to a family than they required. It was not a Catholic Church phenomenon. The Church is not against birth control. It’s against abortion and artificially preventing any children when the supposed purpose of marriage is to have a family in the first place.

Being Catholic doesn’t destine you for poverty. Before the age of exploration, Catholic countries were some of the wealthiest. Many wealthy people are Catholic, and are also very active in philanthropy and charitable work. Much of the wealth of the Catholic Church comes from Catholics who believe that the Church is a greater repository of the world’s God-given treasures than private ownership.

The Catholic church did not delay/suppress scientific advancement. The Vatican has an astronomical observatory, for God’s sake! (Yes, for God’s sake!) The few instances that people repeatedly drag out (Galileo) conveniently ignore the fact that the views of the Catholic Church were often shared equally by non-Catholics.

The molestation of children by a few priests is truly reprehensible, as was the cover-up by a few bishops. However, it should be noted that it is often the pedophiles who gravitate to occupations where they know they can prey on children. It is not the occupation itself that encourages such acts. Also, the Church is not a legal/judicial system. If people are molested by anyone, they should go to law enforcement, not the company/organization that employs the offender. It is understandable that any institution would try to cover-up scandal of its members. Just like the attorney-client privilege which allows attorneys to cover-up crimes of their clients, there is a confessor-confessee privilege which allows confessors to forgive repentant sinners.

I know I should know better than to speak contrarily to the anti-Catholic/anti-Christian/anti-religion trend in society, but I’m hoping that people may realize that they lose credibility when they spew biased ignorance. But then again, maybe credibility is not as desirable as I would like to think.
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Old 01-28-2011, 05:12 PM
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With the nubersw of just say teqchers charged that were alos hidden I am shocked that people do nopt realise that predators are always drwan to positions of trust and access to children also.It really has noting to do with the occupation but the ablity to get that get in trusted;close ;contol of children.
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Old 01-28-2011, 06:44 PM
Location: Here.
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Spell Check!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 01-29-2011, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Capt. Dan View Post
Catholics not believing in birth control could be a factor. Having more kids than you can afford would add to the areas poverty.
This is totally outdated by about 40 years. Southern European country fertility rates are around 1.3 kids per family. In the US, it's more like 2.0

Fertility rates in Mexico & other traditionally Catholic countries in Latin America have dropped precipitously over the last 20 years.

By the way, this whole thing begs the question....is Africa poor because it's Catholic? (Um, I don't think so as there aren't that many Cathlolics there).

I think the main problem isn't Catholicism. It's that cultures that have a "This is the way we've always done it" mentality, don't innovate. It seems that sort of mindset prevails more in warmer countries than cold weather countries.

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Old 01-29-2011, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Pug Life View Post
Why is it that the more secular (or diverse) a city, the more prosperous (compare Salt Lake City to a city of similar size, SLC is very poor)? Why is it that the richest nations in the world all see declines in church attendence (Ireland) as per-capita income increases?
What you're saying here is totally off base. Take a look at the poverty rates by state:

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It turns out there are 34 other states that have higher poverty rates than Utah.

I might add that Utah, unlike those more secular states (like California & Massachusetts) has a reasonable cost of living as well.

And that comment about Ireland is a total joke. Yeah, look at how rich Ireland is....just got balied out by the European Union. You're too funny.

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Old 01-29-2011, 01:25 PM
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Originally Posted by mysticaltyger View Post
It seems that sort of mindset prevails more in warmer countries than cold weather countries.

Sure seems true. Maybe because colder countries are more challenging to live in, requiring more innovation.
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Old 01-29-2011, 04:16 PM
Location: Austin, Texas
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What? You need to bone-up on your geography and cultural studies. Italy, Germany, and Spain are all mostly catholic and their economies are about as strong as ours, maybe stronger.
And, uh....Vatican City--which I'm pretty sure is Catholic, LOL--is the richest "country" (actually it's a city-state) on the planet.
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Old 01-30-2011, 12:09 PM
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No, but predominately poor countries are prone to Catholicism.
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Old 01-31-2011, 05:22 PM
Location: Brooklyn
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Originally Posted by tallrick View Post
This may be speculation, but I have noticed that many countries with extreme poverty that have a Christian faith are Catholic.
Like, for instance...Italy?
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Old 02-02-2011, 04:45 PM
Location: America's Finest City
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Religion, in particular Christianity and Islam, flourish in high poverty areas where people have little else to hope for other than the supernatural.
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