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Old 12-02-2008, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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I only send out Happy Holidays or Season's Greetings for the fact that a large amount of my friends/colleagues/husbands colleagues are very diverse and are not Christians. No matter what they celebrate, I want it to be happy. So we do a general "Happy Holidays" card.
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Old 12-02-2008, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Aiken S.C
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Maybe instead of attacking other religions, you could celebrate your own Saturnalia, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, or Midwinter? The reasons for Christians selecting December 25 as their day to celebrate Christ's arrival on earth is irrelevant.

The fact is that Christmas is about celebrating the birth of Christ, and there has been a trend away from worshipping Christ.

By the way, the Roman god Saturn was stolen from the Greek god Cronus.

Oh, and the Greeks stole Cronus from the Canaanites.
Then why do christians insist on bastardizing other religious holidays to suit their own needs were the christians so inept that the could not create their own.. basically the christian religion is made up of thieves who steal others holidays and then rob the parish members of as much cash as they can steal in the name of god and religion? Is that it Thou shall not steal unless it's for god?
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Old 12-03-2008, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Charleston, WV
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Then why do christians insist on bastardizing other religious holidays to suit their own needs were the christians so inept that the could not create their own.. basically the christian religion is made up of thieves who steal others holidays and then rob the parish members of as much cash as they can steal in the name of god and religion? Is that it Thou shall not steal unless it's for god?
God Bless America. In America you have the freedom to say anything you want. God Bless America and God help us.

Merry Christmas.
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Old 12-04-2008, 02:23 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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while I don't agree w/ the tone, what elvislives said is very true. either way, I'm w/ Danielle, I have many friends who celebrate different holidays at this time (including those who only celebrate the commercial aspect as oppoed to the religious aspects of the holidays), so it's just easier to send "Happy Holidays" cards out.

you guys do realize it's the 21st century, right? send an e-card or make your own and put whatever you want on there! the only cards I buy are those on discount that I use as an emergency backup in case I don't have time to make personalized cards or can't send an e-card

anyways, at this point, the holidays, especially Xmas, have been so commercialized, it's practically pointless. for example, when you're sending out these "Merry Christmas" cards, does it have Santa, reindeer, gift wrapped boxes, or a Xmas tree on it? be truthful now! how many of you guys went all manic on Black Friday picking up gifts? not picking on you guys in particular, but I always hear this argument from people that just spent the day wasting money on Wii games and Coach bags. they complain about the lack of Christ in Christmas but keep playing into the commercialization of the holiday by buying overpriced gifts and lighting up their homes in gaudy lights and fake reindeer. these are probably the same people that paint Easter eggs and hand out chocolate bunnies (Easter, rabbits, and eggs are all pagan).

just saying...

Happy Festivus, one and all!
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Old 12-05-2008, 02:56 PM
 
Location: NYC area
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It's pointless to debate the fact that drug stores and gift stores are swimming in Christmas cards and merchandise -- including the kinds that bear not only the text, but unambiguous religious messages and imagery. People who want to feel victimized and find a reason to pick a fight will simply deny it. What amuses me, however, is the argument that greeting cards are the ultimate test by which we determine whether or not "Christ has been taken out of Christmas".

First of all, to those who call themselves "Christians" to the exclusion of Catholics: You took the Mass out of Christmas. So simmer down. Without the "Mass" part, the name of the holiday is a joke, anyway.

As to the rest, what really takes Christ out of Christmas is how this holiday is celebrated in this country: the insane shopping, the runaway commercialism, and all the cheesy made-for-TV movies. What do you think Jesus would say about all of this, honestly? Greeting cards, too: narcissism taken to such dizzying heights that consumers depend on other people (possibly atheists, yikes!) to create something for them that should really come from the heart, then feel good about themselves as if they had drawn the picture and written the words. Instead of complaining about how some evil shadowy force is making it impossible for you to express your faith through canned words and images, why don't you buy some blank paper, paints and brushes, and make your own cards.
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Old 12-05-2008, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Orlando, Florida
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I send emails only....and most of those are holiday forwards. I really need to put more effort in my Christmas cheer sharing.
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Old 12-06-2008, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles Area
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I can't stand religion...yet I don't care about the word "Christmas" and use it to refer to what I celebrate on the 25th of December. There is no evil force in the world removing the Christmas Cards. Stores sell what consumers want to buy....its really that simple.
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Old 12-06-2008, 07:37 AM
 
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What are your thoughts on Merry Christmas on cards for Christmas?

Went to Hallmark to buy boxes of Christmas cards today - I'm doing my own protest and only buying cards if they say Merry Christmas. I refuse to buy the Happy Holidays, Season's Greetings, etc. because I am greatly annoyed that Christ is getting pushed out of Christmas.

Guess how many boxes I came home with that said Merry Christmas.... none, zero, nadda.

Hallmark had a handful which said Merry Christmas but they were ugly and I have not yet gotten that desperate. I bought 3 boxes of religious cards. None say Merry Christmas but the picture/message on the front is very evident of what Christmas is all about.

I'm not trying to push my belief on anyone else. But I think America is going insane with political correctness.
Well, I hadn't noticed that. I generally do my own Christmas cards with GIMP (sort of like Photoshop but open source).

But since I have friends that fall into several faiths, Christian, Jewish, even a Wiccan or two (no idea how folks I went to high school with came to that, LOL! But we never miss a chance to rib them about riding brooksticks on Halloween) I use "Happy Holidays" when I'm unsure what their beliefs are or what thier holidays are.

Consider one asian guy I worked with. A self professed "mystic" and "Zen Buddhist". Now if I send everyone he works with a Christmas card and leave him out, that sux. But at the same time, Christ may not fit into his spiritual view. But I can't say "Happy Buddha" with any certainty either.

Or consider one jewish guy I know. Has a bit of a drinking problem at times (despite being a successful bodybuilder, believe it or not), he has rejected something in the 12 steps about Jesus openly at meetings he tells me. Makes him feel like his faith is on trial. Having no idea what the 12 steps say, I don't know what he means exactly, but I do understand.

So at least for me, "Happy Holidays" gives me the space to say, "Hey was thinking about you and yours" without saying, "Hey my faith or lack thereof is the only one that's right".
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Old 12-06-2008, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Charleston, WV
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Don't know where the "removing of Christmas cards" statements came from. I made that statement that I'm having a hard time finding boxed cards that say Merry Christmas - the few I have found were really ugly and I have not yet gotten that desperate to buy them (bought religious ones instead).

Never stated that Christmas cards alone are "taking the Christ out of Christmas" - but this is one way I am conducting my own protest by not buying the Season's Greeting or Happy Holidays.

I'm all for discussion and debate, but don't put words into my mouth that I did not say.

Never said I am sending Christmas cards to people of other faiths - if they aren't celebrating the birth of Christ I would send them something different. I'm not trying to force my belief on anyone else.

Do agree that the commercialization is ridiculous and Jesus surely would be appalled.

"evil shadowy force" - If you read the news you will see that, for at least the last 4 years, there has been a debate/struggle/push/whatever you want to call it between banning Christ from Christmas displays/etc. and keeping Christ in Christmas.
Just type "Christmas ban" or similar in your search engine and see what you get.
Here are just a few:
'Nativity' Booted From Ill. Holiday Fair - washingtonpost.com"
Catholic League: For Religious and Civil Rights (http://www.catholicleague.org/catalyst.php?year=2007&month=December&read=2340 - broken link)
Scroogelike redemption! Christmas ban dropped
Christmas 'ban' prompts Supreme Court petition
Federal government tells 85-year-old grandmother she cannot put an angel on Christmas tree - AFA ActionAlert (http://www.afa.net/Petitions/Issuedetail.asp?id=274 - broken link)
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Old 12-12-2010, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Maybe people are wising up and realizing how ridiculous it is to celebrate a supernatural existence.
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