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Old 03-24-2013, 04:36 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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dis·crim·i·nate

/disˈkriməˌnāt/
Verb
  • Recognize a distinction; differentiate.
  • Perceive or constitute the difference in or between.


Hasn't discriminate been hijacked? There is by definition a difference between hetero and homosexual? Can't we apply the english language in it literally meaning?



There is a difference, a heterosexual male for example is differentiated because they engage in heterosexual copulation and can biological create a child with his mate. A heterosexual man prefers copulating with another man, and cannot create a child with his mate. Am I not understanding why wouldn't literally "discriminate" or show the difference in the two lifestyles?

do you happen to recall the uproar from several years ago when Cracker Barrel fired openly gay employees and publicly admitted that they would not employ openly gay people because they are a "family establishment" and don't want to offend the sensibilities of their "family" clientele by exposing them to gay servers, bussers, hostesses, etc.

turns out they were perfectly within their rights to practice this discrimination, being an at-will employer..... but by the same token, I am perfectly within my rights not to spend my money with them....

 
Old 03-24-2013, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Children are very interesting, especially pres school age. Every thing is black and white. They play house...and I have NEVER seen them play house with two Daddies. Even two girls, one is the mommy, one is the daddy.

Out of the mouths of babes.
Have you seen pre-school aged children of same-sex couples play house?
 
Old 03-24-2013, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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I've said it 10000x times, I don't care if gays are sexual with each other. I don't care what you do at your own home or privacy.

I simply said alternative lifestyles should not be taught in public schools, at a young age and without parental consent. I think stating a fact about hamsters reproduction is more of a discussion on reproduction than sexual emotional relationships, I was able to see the difference between the act of mating to reproduce and mating for emotional and physical sensation.

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In fact, I know it's not a choice to have same-sex attraction. (I've worked with kids who were gay.) To me, its a sin to act out on it, and make the lifestyle choice to act out on it. I know of several CHristians who have unwanted same sex attraction. And I do support programs such as "Love Won Out"

This is the part of your previous post that I was responding to. You didn't simply say "alternative lifestyles should not be taught in public schools." You said more.

You have a right to your beliefs. But trying to proscribe the rights of others is not OK, in my view. Of course I am aware that many Christians struggle with this. But it is totally unreasonable to expect a segment of people to forgo the rights of most of us, because we struggle with how they are. Remember, that God made them the way they are--at least from your viewpoint.

In terms of teaching sex education, and including parts about gays' sexual preferences, I would prefer that no sex ed be taught, at all. It seems to me that schools have too little time to teach math, science, literature, grammar, history as it is. But, if schools don't tackle sex ed, teaching kids how to avoid pregnancy and stds, then who is. Parents don't do a very good job.

And, teaching only abstinence will not work in a society where porn is widely available, and soft core porn is used to sell grilled chicken sandwiches.
 
Old 03-25-2013, 12:07 AM
 
Location: NW Arkansas
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Nobody is saying to deny that they exist. Most people understand the sexual maturity of children isn't even there at kindergarten and choosing when to introduce the sexual affinity of different people in society is up to the parent not the school.

Marriage has been hijacked, I still do quite understand why gays want to married (which is something traditionally done by the church as it is a religious union that gays officially cannot enter in because its expressly condemned by the church and also to boot the new Pope Francis.) instead of just being BF/BF or GF/GF and live your lives. The government can easily offer a secular option to the gays that will satisfy both sides and not punish them financial/taxes.

It shows that they want to cripple the traditional family, blur the line between 2000+ years of tradition and forever change the time tested, and biologically-correct family make-up.

Further more, you don't have to accept the flavor of the month cultural norms that are hip and fashionable. The beauty of America is that you can raise your kids as pro-gay or anti-gay as you want, and you are constitutionally protected.

Teach children math, science, english, etc and let the family set the time table on sexual relationships and the complexity of society in 2013.
If you are sending your children to public school, you should expect that they are going to prepare your children to interact with other children that go there. I have no statistics, but the odds are good that the schools teaching about gay families have children there who are in families with gay couples. Again, teaching children that their peers have two mommies or two daddies is not about sex. It's about the dynamics of relationships in our society. You can teach your children whatever you want about these relationships, but your children still need to know that the children of gay parents aren't freaks, for the sake of those children, if nothing else. Schools have a lot to deal with, and making sure children accept and understand each other is part of education these days.

You don't have to accept anything, but if your child is going to public school, they can't be **** to children from gay families or be completely repulsed or scared of them. That's basically the point.
 
Old 03-25-2013, 12:51 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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It shows that they want to cripple the traditional family,
How are they "crippling" the traditional family? If Robert and Patrick down the street want to get married and adopt a needy child, how on earth does that impact YOUR traditional family in a negative way?
 
Old 03-25-2013, 09:03 AM
 
Location: In a cave
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How are they "crippling" the traditional family? If Robert and Patrick down the street want to get married and adopt a needy child, how on earth does that impact YOUR traditional family in a negative way?

I never said anything Rob and Pat down the street. The post clearly has this topic.

"Teaching kids its okay to be gay in schools / reading stories about gays in kindergarter?"

Appreciate the attempt to hijack the thread for your own comfort.
 
Old 03-25-2013, 09:09 AM
 
Location: In a cave
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If you are sending your children to public school, you should expect that they are going to prepare your children to interact with other children that go there. I have no statistics, but the odds are good that the schools teaching about gay families have children there who are in families with gay couples. Again, teaching children that their peers have two mommies or two daddies is not about sex. It's about the dynamics of relationships in our society. You can teach your children whatever you want about these relationships, but your children still need to know that the children of gay parents aren't freaks, for the sake of those children, if nothing else. Schools have a lot to deal with, and making sure children accept and understand each other is part of education these days.

You don't have to accept anything, but if your child is going to public school, they can't be **** to children from gay families or be completely repulsed or scared of them. That's basically the point.
You can be a dyck to whoever you want, it is America. I can also be repulsed at anything I'd like. That is also my right.

The thought of homosexual copulation is repulsive to me, right or wrong in your eyes. The problem is I am forced to pay for public schools. The answer lies in the choice of schools, if I have to send my kids to public schools (you don't have to, but then you pay twice private school + property taxes) then I shouldn't have be forced feed my kids alternative lifestyles.

Give me a voucher, send your kids to places you approve of. What is next? Forcing Catholic schools that explicitly condemn homosexual lifestyle to learn about against their own religious beliefs?
 
Old 03-25-2013, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Part of the problem however with what is or isn't being taught in Public Schools is that even kindergarten curriculum about a new girl in class with a pet iguana gets reported as an attempt to teach gay sex to kindergarteners.

Stories that acknowledge the fact that families may be headed by same gendered couples also end up being characterized as teaching about Gay sex even when the sexual relationship of the parents is not discussed.
 
Old 03-25-2013, 11:04 AM
 
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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How are they "crippling" the traditional family? If Robert and Patrick down the street want to get married and adopt a needy child, how on earth does that impact YOUR traditional family in a negative way?

it doesn't in the slightest.....

they just don't want to deal with or think about the "ick factor" and believe that it should be forever kept hidden away...... because after all, if they can't see it, it doesn't exist, right??
 
Old 03-25-2013, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Part of the problem however with what is or isn't being taught in Public Schools is that even kindergarten curriculum about a new girl in class with a pet iguana gets reported as an attempt to teach gay sex to kindergarteners.

What exactly does this story say that people would perceive it as attempting to teach same sex?

Give me a voucher, send your kids to places you approve of. What is next? Forcing Catholic schools that explicitly condemn homosexual lifestyle to learn about against their own religious beliefs?

I totally agree with the "no-government-strings-attached" voucher system. However, thanks in part to the NEA, a real voucher system is not allowed. Plus, if you accept government money, you have to teach certain government things. And yes, certain segments of the homosexual/same sex movement would LOVE to force EVERYONE to have to learn that same-sex is okay and even to be celebrated.

You can be a dyck to whoever you want, it is America. I can also be repulsed at anything I'd like. That is also my right.

They recognize their right. But your/mine right to be replused/not agree is labelled "intolerant" or "hateful". However they don't see themselves that way.
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