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Old 12-16-2008, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Fairbanks, AK...formerly Kentucky
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High School sports can go to far but in general I believe they are good. Some of the most important lessons in life are not only learning how to compete but good sportsmanship. We should all strive to be winners but realistically not everyone is going to win and learning how to accept defeat gracefully and learning from your mistakes is just as vital as learning how to be a a good winner. You can and should be proud of your accomplishments without being arrogant or boastful. A good solid sports program can instill these virtues.
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Old 12-16-2008, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I fully support competitive High School sports!
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Old 12-16-2008, 05:45 PM
 
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Fair play and sportsmanship are good lessons for the young that participate. The only problem is that fair play and sportsmanship have been abandoned, and often ridiculed in our win at any cost mentality learned from adults.
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Fair play and sportsmanship are good lessons for the young that participate. The only problem is that fair play and sportsmanship have been abandoned, and often ridiculed in our win at any cost mentality learned from adults.
That is so terrifying to watch, it's like a toddler in a 200 pound adult body. Thought it might work to the benefit that kids will think so negatively of a person like that they will never be like it...I hope.
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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I was a decent athlete when I was younger. I played football, boxed, wrestled, did track and field, and I might have been OK at baseball if I wasn't blind as a bat without glasses. I loved sports and I think it was a great experience. I have a few joint problems and football might be part of the problem but I suspect the problems were caused by a poor choice of jobs in my 20's.

One thing that I didn't like about our sports events during High School was we never had time to meet any of our competitors off the field. I was heavily into band activities and our band made trips to festivals and other events where we got to spend time with kids from other towns around the state (Colorado). On the band trips I met a lot of the kids that I had met during sports activities but never had a chance to talk to. Sports are great competition and I loved it but I think I learned more about team work from band activities than I ever did from sports.

One thing that really turned me off about football was the fact that the smaller guys just didn't have a chance. I was big so I got more playing time than I wanted at times. The flip side: One of my best friends was just too small and not really a good athlete but He went out for football and wrestling and never missed a practice in four years but he never got ONE minute of game time in football. A lot of times on those hot August two a day practices when I wanted to say "the heck with this stupid game" Bob would tell me to hang in there. How could I quit with him urging me on? He did get to wrestle on the JV team a few times however and he won quite a few matches.

Contrast that with our High School Band: I weighed 230 pounds and was a six footer. That didn't mean a hill of beans to the band instructor. Some of our best musicians were girls that didn't weigh much more than the instruments they played. Talk about teamwork. I may be prejudiced but I think we put out some pretty good sounds for a ragtag bunch of kids. My band teacher was the greatest.

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Old 12-16-2008, 10:07 PM
 
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Having played in sports and how getting older ;I can tell you that the old injuries alwasys come back to haunt you in time. If I had it to do over again ;I would probably do less injury prone things with my time.All my firends who had injuies also pretty much think the same way as they live with the results.
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Old 12-16-2008, 10:33 PM
 
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I agree with most of the dissenting comments about competitive sports, so I'm just going to add another point: America's love of competitive sports has come much too far (IMO) to the point of idolizing the athlete and to actually make fun of the intelligent/nerd. One has to wonder if that is not a contributing factor to many of America's ills.

Is it not possible to have the good that comes out of sport (team work, camaraderie, strategic thinking, etc) without focusing on the winning aspect.

I love the original spirit of Ultimate Frisbee (I'm showing my age here) - no intentional contact, call your own fouls, no intentional picks, a frisbee distance on defense, no keeping score - the spirit of competition and fairplay, getting the best out of oneself as the winning goal.
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Old 12-17-2008, 05:40 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Is it not possible to have the good that comes out of sport (team work, camaraderie, strategic thinking, etc) without focusing on the winning aspect.
Isn't that not the difference between play and game (read: sport)*?
When you play you only play to learn or because it is fun, but when you game (read: sport) you only play to win.
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*So, if both play and game have rules, which is the main difference between them? The only author that gives a hint is philosopher Andre Lalande. He proposes two different meaning when he defines "jeu" in his Dictionaire Philosophique [Lalande, 1928]. Even though he does not explicitly refers to game and play (just one French word exist for both activities), he differentiates them not because of their rules, but by their result. Games have a result: they define a winner and a loser; plays do not.

That is why we decided to use Lalande�s definitions of jeu (associated to Caillois� neologisms to prevent confusions between the terms).

Paidea is "Prodigality of physical or mental activity which has no immediate useful objective, nor defined objective, and whose only reason to be is based in the pleasure experimented by the player".

Ludus is a particular kind of paidea, defined as an "activity organized under a system of rules that defines a victory or a defeat, a gain or a loss."

Source: Ludology
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Old 12-17-2008, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Nebraska
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I think that sports competitions are good - if done correctly. Where I live now, all the kids play, there are no "tryouts" - if you want to be on the team, you are. The parents are supportive but not inflammatory towards the coaches and refs, or other teams, and the kids do get to know the kids from their opposition. Where I used to live, HS sports was becoming just another excuse to use physical force to intimidate and to use 'hatred' of the opposing teams as a reason to be destructive towards them, their campuses, and their property.

I will say though, that the ONLY year my HS Football team won the State playoffs (or even got into them) was in my senior year when we had a quarterback who was 4'11". The opposition never saw him coming - literally! He is now a doctor... Howard was fast, sneaky, and accurate, but never lost sight of what he really wanted to be - the game for him was FUN.
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Old 12-17-2008, 06:31 AM
 
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I think high schools use the students (athletes) for revenue, & it's disgusting. I've seen the one I deal with focus too much on sports, as if it's all that matters, & slack off on education. Also have witnessed coaches getting away with intimidating/harrassing the team, running "suicides" til they puke, etc. And don't get me started on the parents losing control at these games; it gets dangerous.
I used to support the high school sports programs, when I was young, dumb & naive.
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