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Old 02-02-2009, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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How come the crimiinals in prison get free room and board? Why is it that they don't have to work and sweat? This is unfair. I have to work like a dog--and they get a free ride.
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Old 02-02-2009, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I have to work like a dog--and they get a free ride.
Please tell us what kind of work you do "like a dog". Do you wear Gucci shoes while working like a dog? Is the place where you "work like a dog" air conditioned?
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Old 02-02-2009, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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Please tell us what kind of work you do "like a dog". Do you wear Gucci shoes while working like a dog? Is the place where you "work like a dog" air conditioned?
Those statements are called similes, genius.
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Old 02-25-2009, 10:31 AM
 
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In our society, there have evolved essentially three types of crimes.
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The first is crimes against the person or property - burglary, robbery, rape, assault, arson, etc.

These first type of crimes are distinguished as they require direct violence against an individual or property. There is a risk of injury or death to the victim, but it is easy for a victim to recognize and possibly defend against.
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The second is crimes against society and money - fraud, passing bad checks, insider trading, forgery, etc.

These second types are crimes in which there is little particularized harm, but a potential large generalized harm unless the activity is stopped. There is no violence against an individual, but the crimes impact society by restricting commerce, or making it more risky. Individuals have little ability to defend against this type of harm, or to recognize it when it appears, but since they are likely to suffer little or no actual harm, they are less watchful for it as well.
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The third is crimes against decency - prostitution, drug use, consensual statutory rape, obscenity, pornography related charges, etc.

In this third type, there is generally no victim, or the victim suffers no concrete harm. Rather, the crimes are outlawed as they relate to society's desire to control certain behaviors.
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Regarding these three, we can certainly agree, and lawmakers generally do, that the third type of crime is the least severe. Jail time for the individual crimes of the third type pale in comparison to the first two.

Between the first two then, which is more harmful? A crime against an individual, say assault, only impacts one or two people. But a crime such as credit fraud (falsely charging 10 million credit cards $0.25 each) has little individual harm, but a huge societal cost.

Which should be punished more harshly, crimes against a person or crimes against society?
I don't see any point in differentiating between crimes against persons or property and crimes against society. I would separate crimes of violence from property crimes, because that's how the law divides them up. They both need to be treated very, very seriously because they impact us all.

Crimes against decency are definitely a separate category, but considering that prostitution is the only way people are still kept in slavery in this country -- typically women, children, and minorities including mail-order brides -- I would call that a major crime against persons. A heroin-addicted hooker owned by a pimp, a mimimum-wage-earning single mom who has to sell her butt on the street to keep her kids fed, or a teenaged runaway who is too young to get a job and can't go home safely, is NOT making an empowered choice. Decency is not the issue.

THESE HAIRS WERE SPLIT FOR YOU BY CLIFFIE'S HAIRSPLITTING SERVICE.

BTW dcashley, I don't know how common this is, but in the county where I live you DO pay to stay in jail. You pay massive court and lawyer fees on top of that -- there is almost no pro bono atty work available here. Crime does NOT pay where I live.
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Old 02-28-2009, 11:47 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Which should be punished more harshly, crimes against a person or crimes against society?
A crime against a person a-priori also is a crime against the society the person is part of and a crime against society is also a crime against every person who is part of that society.

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Crime does NOT pay where I live.
If crime did not pay we would have had no global credit crisis today.
I find it a heinous crime that bank presidents were ( still are?) able to give themselves millions of $$$ while their banks collapsed.
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Old 02-28-2009, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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BTW dcashley, I don't know how common this is, but in the county where I live you DO pay to stay in jail. You pay massive court and lawyer fees on top of that -- there is almost no pro bono atty work available here. Crime does NOT pay where I live.
I live in the USA. Here criminals don't have to do anything. Many choose to work in prison (laundry, food, etc.) but they are not required to do so. If they refuse to work they get housed, fed, and get health care.

It costs a LOT to keep someone in prison here. Over $35,000 a year (I think--but I havn't checked the number recently--I know it was over $25,000 a few years back.) It costs a LOT more to execute them. A capital punishment trial costs almost a million, and by the time the appeals are done, the legal processes cost about $1.5 million more.

Criminals should be treated like the scum they are...they should not be handled in such fashions that they consume so much money.
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Old 02-28-2009, 03:27 PM
 
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I think the most heinous thing is to cause suffering on purpose or for one's one pleasure or gain- to animals or people. That could include draining a poor person's savings, beating an animal, raping a child. Causing suffering from one's own desire is heinous to me.
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Old 02-28-2009, 06:08 PM
 
Location: NW. MO.
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Really? Have you actually read the biographies of most major Porn Stars? They are all former strippers who got offered big money to do porn. Or they are drug addicts who did porn to pay for their habit...either way, they weren't forced into it.

And statutory rape is a dumb law anyway because there are cases where a serious couple, one 18 and one 16, would find themselves in legal trouble because one was 16. If a 13 year old girl is in a position with an older man where she can actually agree to have sex, then it's not the man who had sex with her who should be blamed, but the parents for allowing their daughter to be in a position like that. And after all, the 13 year old said yes, and only a few hundred years ago, a 13 year old was considered to be pretty old to be unmarried.
Oh what a load of bull. The man isn't responsible because the parents allowed the girl to be put in this position?! Older men should be held accountable for having sex with a child, period.

It's easy to manipulate a young girl into saying yes isn't it? Especially if she has issues at home, being neglected by crap parents, or being told how pretty and grown up she is by an older man. An adult should know better. Oh and I want to add that that goes for an adult be they a male of female, I find it inappropriate for an adult to have sex with a child.
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Old 11-18-2011, 06:20 PM
 
Location: East Bay
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Scam artist are the worst! If I had my way. They would be hung in the town square from the highest tree. And left dangling for all to see. Something about scam artist that just makes my blood boil!
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Old 11-18-2011, 06:29 PM
 
Location: In a house
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Consentual statory rape has no victim? A 13 year old girl who has sex is a victim. A hars one at that. Just because she may have said 'yes' doesn't mean the effects aren't going to be felt. Also, that means an older perveted person is preying on her- and she's not a victim? Pornography has no victims? Many women are forced into it. They aren't victims?

All crimes should get an equal review for punishment.

Thats dependent on the thinking at the time. Was a time a 13 year old girl married to a 40 year old man was far from uncommon. We can rationalize anything into a crime, and in many cases we have done just that.

Many of the things we call crime arent really. A crime has an obvious victim & should have obvious malicious intent. If a 13 year old girl uses what God gave her to get an older man into bed who is the victim? Is it always the older person or can the younger person have malicious intent? Is there any malicious intent? Id malicious intent important or do we just lock folks up because they offend our sensabilities?
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