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Old 11-19-2011, 08:53 AM
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by zman0 View Post
In our society, there have evolved essentially three types of crimes.
Any crime involving rape, child predators and murder (unless you're defending your family) are henious in nature.

These people should be put to death. The most henious of crimes.
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Old 11-19-2011, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by zman0 View Post
First of all, the judge determines the punishment for a crime. In a number of jurisdictions juries aren't allowed to even hear the punishment for the different felonies the individual is charged with as it could affect their decision. Juries are supposed to be neutral finders of fact, not dispensers of justice.

The problem with this is that insurance imposes a significant social cost. If there's less punishment for fraud, the incidence of fraud goes up, insurance premiums increase, and the cost of doing business increases. This imposes severe harm to individuals.

Even though individuals can protect themselves against crimes against their person, and have little say in their own defense against fraud or identity theft?

They may be victims, but there's no particularized harm. Their harm is not physical or monetary, but rather the "crime" is against society as a whole.

Murder goes in the "etc" of the first type I tried to keep some degree of similarity of harm between the three types, where possible.

The difference is that physical theft carries with it the risk of physical injury to a victim, while having a lesser overall effect on the economy. So-called "white collar" or economic crimes have a wider effect and often involve more money, but there's no physical threat against the victim.

I'm not saying "white collar" crime is any less destructive, just that there is a difference.
OK so you would rather suffer a crime like your child being raped, than lose $20,000 due to fraud, along with a few others
If Yes- you are one messed up person
If no- whats the point of argument?

its comes down to what you believe is more important Money or people, i choose People.
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Old 11-20-2011, 09:33 AM
Location: TX and NM on the border of the Great Southwest.
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Originally Posted by zman0 View Post
In our society, there have evolved essentially three types of crimes.
The first is crimes against the person or property - burglary, robbery, rape, assault, arson, etc.

These first type of crimes are distinguished as they require direct violence against an individual or property. There is a risk of injury or death to the victim, but it is easy for a victim to recognize and possibly defend against.
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What I argue is that some crime victims do not have the ability to easily defend against crimes committed against them. The OP's has simply overlooked the young and the elderly who are less capable of defending themselves. In this sense, the crime becomes more heinous than if the victims had some defensive capabilities. Webster defines the word heinous as hatefully or shockingly evil. There are few things more hateful or obviously evil than a crime against those who can offer only a feeble or no defense to a crime committed against them.

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