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Old 06-10-2009, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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No, it's no trend, you are just upset that some white women went with a non-white dude and this has slimmed your pickings a lot.
Not upset, more along the lines of....disappointed in the women's poor decision making. But hey, leaves the better ones for the rest of us.

 
Old 06-10-2009, 06:25 PM
 
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Not upset, more along the lines of....disappointed in the women's poor decision making. But hey, leaves the better ones for the rest of us.
A white woman isn't making a bad decision just by choosing a black guy. If she loves him, then that's all that matters. She isn't any less than other white women because of it.

It would be understandable if you just said you were disappointed in women choosing guys with no jobs or ambitions, which are characteristics of an individual. But, I don't agree with you painting all black men, or any other type of man, with a bad brush just because of his ethnicity.
 
Old 06-10-2009, 06:52 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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How about we all just do what we please (with regards to this matter) and everyone else worry about themselves rather than everyone else. Go out with whomever you like! It's nobody's business.
 
Old 06-10-2009, 06:57 PM
 
Location: southern california
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last time i looked at ms obama didnt look like any racial mixing was going on at all.
looks like they are fine with who and what they are. they seem comfortable enough.
i dont put much stock in attempting to explain the world around us with color theories.
too much like getting your colors done, you know a winter a spring so forth.
 
Old 06-10-2009, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Originally Posted by Marissy View Post
A white woman isn't making a bad decision just by choosing a black guy. If she loves him, then that's all that matters. She isn't any less than other white women because of it.

It would be understandable if you just said you were disappointed in women choosing guys with no jobs or ambitions, which are characteristics of an individual. But, I don't agree with you painting all black men, or any other type of man, with a bad brush just because of his ethnicity.
Guess Im speaking for the majority of the black/white couples I see around here. Very rare, only a couple, where its a well to do black guy and a clean, pretty white woman. Mostly I see the XXXXL rocawear shirt wearin thugs and the white girl thats about 100lbs too heavy and missing some teeth.
 
Old 06-10-2009, 07:27 PM
 
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Guess Im speaking for the majority of the black/white couples I see around here. Very rare, only a couple, where its a well to do black guy and a clean, pretty white woman. Mostly I see the XXXXL rocawear shirt wearin thugs and the white girl thats about 100lbs too heavy and missing some teeth.
Wow, I can't believe that people make these generaliztions in 2009. Umm...technically there is a Black man in office. I'm technically Black (mixed race) and am getting my MBA. My brother is (mixed race) Black and went to West Point. We grew up upper middle class with trips to Europe and Africa during the summers or winters (depending where we were going). My sister in-law is White has her BA and is def. not 100 lbs too heavy...and has great dental insurance.

With that said, yes Blacks are more likely to be poor. Why? Well, there are a lot of historical factors that have led them to be poor. Those that were able to obtain middle class status now face relatively little obstructions on the basis of race. We now live in a society that is more based on class. Those in the middle/upper middle/upper class with a college degree stand a good chance of success, regardless of race. Those in the lower/lower middle classes are not as lucky. Class determines more than race in America currently.
 
Old 06-10-2009, 08:15 PM
miu
 
Location: MA/NH
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With that said, yes Blacks are more likely to be poor. Why? Well, there are a lot of historical factors that have led them to be poor. Those that were able to obtain middle class status now face relatively little obstructions on the basis of race. We now live in a society that is more based on class. Those in the middle/upper middle/upper class with a college degree stand a good chance of success, regardless of race. Those in the lower/lower middle classes are not as lucky. Class determines more than race in America currently.
No. It's the groups of people that don't value or desire a good academic education that are the ones currently failing in US society. Class has nothing at all to do with their failings.

Even if someone plans a career is a blue collar line of work, it's still important to excel in high school. Doing well in school requires paying attention in class, doing the homework and knowing when to ask questions and ask for extra help. Getting good grades is proof that the student learned how to problem solve, research the given topic, It encourages respect for the ones teaching, and doing the homework is developing good work habits and self discipline. And even if the teacher isn't charismatic or a good speaker, a motivated student should still be able to do well if their parents are encouraging them to do well in the school studies. In adult life, most managers are not very good, most work situations not ideal.

And here's an interesting take on childhood development and education:
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It’s that the most decisive weapons in the war on poverty aren’t transfer payments but education, education, education. For at-risk households, that starts with social workers making visits to encourage such basic practices as talking to children. One study found that a child of professionals (disproportionately white) has heard about 30 million words spoken by age 3; a black child raised on welfare has heard only 10 million words, leaving that child at a disadvantage in school.
 
Old 06-10-2009, 09:42 PM
 
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No. It's the groups of people that don't value or desire a good academic education that are the ones currently failing in US society. Class has nothing at all to do with their failings.

That's not even remotely true. So you mean to tell me there is no direct relation income of incoming college freshman and whether or not they graduate? Because, unfortunately, there is. There is also a direct relation to test scores and average family income. There is also a direct relation to the amount of money a school recieves per pupil and family income. You are less likely to change classes now than ever before. The truth of the matter is that class has a HUGE influence on success or not. Poorer families have less resources. For the poorest of the poor, the parent(s) are working mulitple jobs. This means less time with the kids. Schools do not have after school programs to compensate. Schools also lack experienced teachers. See, money is an issue here.

Even if someone plans a career is a blue collar line of work, it's still important to excel in high school. Doing well in school requires paying attention in class, doing the homework and knowing when to ask questions and ask for extra help. Getting good grades is proof that the student learned how to problem solve, research the given topic, It encourages respect for the ones teaching, and doing the homework is developing good work habits and self discipline. And even if the teacher isn't charismatic or a good speaker, a motivated student should still be able to do well if their parents are encouraging them to do well in the school studies. In adult life, most managers are not very good, most work situations not ideal.

Studies have proven that more experienced teachers are more able to handle more. It's not solely about being "charismatic or a good speaker" but being able to handle those that do fall out of line. I agree it's important to excel in high school, but if you don't have the support, how can you? If you go to a school where they don't teach you study habits, or how to ask the right questions, or any other things...how can you be a good student?

And here's an interesting take on childhood development and education:

Again, it's the cycle of poverty.
 
Old 06-10-2009, 10:30 PM
 
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With this historic turn of events, the first African American president, do you expect a rise in racial mixing? Will it ever come to the point where we will become one mixed race?
While not in the majority, the U.S still has a large mixed race population. 30% of White Americans are are not genetically pure European.
White American - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the majority of Black Americans are not genetically pure African.
 
Old 06-11-2009, 04:31 AM
 
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No. It's the groups of people that don't value or desire a good academic education that are the ones currently failing in US society. Class has nothing at all to do with their failings.

Even if someone plans a career is a blue collar line of work, it's still important to excel in high school. Doing well in school requires paying attention in class, doing the homework and knowing when to ask questions and ask for extra help. Getting good grades is proof that the student learned how to problem solve, research the given topic, It encourages respect for the ones teaching, and doing the homework is developing good work habits and self discipline. And even if the teacher isn't charismatic or a good speaker, a motivated student should still be able to do well if their parents are encouraging them to do well in the school studies. In adult life, most managers are not very good, most work situations not ideal.
So, class doesn't matter at all? A young man whose family has lived in a poor, blue collar town for generations can be successful and live the American dream just by doing well in school? Lol! You make it seem as if no black or poor students try their best or aren't smart in school, and that is the reason why they stay disadvantaged.

Sorry, but stuff like that sounds good in writing, but real life isn't the same as what would happen ideally.
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