U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Great Debates
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 03-12-2009, 11:20 PM
 
12,842 posts, read 24,478,691 times
Reputation: 18835

Advertisements

A precise reading of the term "parasitic"- it is living off the woman's body, is a part of her body (not residing in some vessel) and cannot survive aside from living off the woman's body. To me, that makes it more the woman's choice than when it can live outside.
For the posters who feel that sperm meets egg= human, does that mean they are against IUDs, morning-after pills and anything that probably interferes with implantation? I believe there's about a 3-day window when a fertilized egg has not implanted.
What about the hundreds of thousands of frozen embryos left over from people's IVF treatments? Are they all humans, frozen, murdered if destroyed?
Again, I don't concern myself with people's beliefs that are different from mine. I am very concerned that someone else's beliefs might be visited on me and on other people who don't share those beliefs.
For what it's worth, I believe official Christian (or is Catholic?) thinking didn't always believe that life began at conception- there was "quickening," which I think is when the woman might feel some movement. There was also a different timeline for supposed male fetuses and female fetuses.
Quick reply to this message

 
Old 03-13-2009, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Texas
8,668 posts, read 19,917,306 times
Reputation: 21277
Quote:
Originally Posted by brightdoglover View Post
A precise reading of the term "parasitic"- it is living off the woman's body, is a part of her body (not residing in some vessel) and cannot survive aside from living off the woman's body. To me, that makes it more the woman's choice than when it can live outside.
For the posters who feel that sperm meets egg= human, does that mean they are against IUDs, morning-after pills and anything that probably interferes with implantation? I believe there's about a 3-day window when a fertilized egg has not implanted.
What about the hundreds of thousands of frozen embryos left over from people's IVF treatments? Are they all humans, frozen, murdered if destroyed?
Again, I don't concern myself with people's beliefs that are different from mine. I am very concerned that someone else's beliefs might be visited on me and on other people who don't share those beliefs.
For what it's worth, I believe official Christian (or is Catholic?) thinking didn't always believe that life began at conception- there was "quickening," which I think is when the woman might feel some movement. There was also a different timeline for supposed male fetuses and female fetuses.
I obviously can't speak for all pro-life people, but in answer to your question, yes, all those things you mentioned including the fertility treatments including "leftover frozen embryos" do bother me. In fact, even though I am not against contraception, there is even some discussion about whether oral contraceptives sometimes at least, interfere with the implantation of a fertilized egg.

With me, it's not what some official church position might be, but rather simple logic as to when life begins. I know others differ, but life beginning at fertilization is what is logical to me.
Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-13-2009, 08:20 PM
 
8,581 posts, read 8,925,635 times
Reputation: 2382
Quote:
Originally Posted by ulnevrwalkalone View Post
I see absolutely nothing wrong with abortion. if a woman doesnt want to have a child then she shouldnt be forced to. and i know u can say abstinence and contraceptives but lets face it, were sexual beings and nothing is full proof. y should we force unwanted children into this world? so they can be given to adoption and become a burden on society, no thanks. I would rather a women be able to get an abortion and be able to live her life the way she wants. The world is over-populated as it is, y force more people onto it?

And as a bonus there are stem cells which we still dont know all the potential these cells have (mainly b/c or americas moral qualms about abortion). and so all the research and great minds are forced to leave america and do research in places like the philapeans and other south-eastern asian countries. were not stopping them, and im pretty sure if they find a use that cures a disease that u have, ur going to take that cure.
I am firmly pro life! I find the attitude above incredibly selfish and ignorant, unfortunately it is the norm on the left. Abortion - Pro Life - Click Here to See What Abortion Looks Like
Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-14-2009, 02:30 PM
 
5,748 posts, read 10,504,424 times
Reputation: 4494
Unapologetically pro-choice.
Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-15-2009, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Eastern time zone
4,469 posts, read 6,161,613 times
Reputation: 3481
Quote:
Originally Posted by donsabi View Post
I believe a sane person should have the right to do as they wish with their own bodies. I also support those that are against abortion in the sense that many abortions are funded through government money that comes from taxes that we all pay. I firmly believe that if a person's tax dollar is used to fund anything then that person has the right say how that money should be spent or not spent.
Hence the "representation" part of our government.
If you don't like how your Congressperson votes on the budget, you get to vote against him or her next time.
Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-15-2009, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Eastern time zone
4,469 posts, read 6,161,613 times
Reputation: 3481
Quote:
Originally Posted by RVlover View Post
95% of ALL abortions performed are due to Sexual Hedonism gone (further) wrong . The American Sexual Hedonist needs the availability of Abortion Mills and vice versa. Its time our Government got some spine to legislate Morality with very stiff penalties . We need some Singaporian justice in this country badly because Americans suffer from Immorality and Apathy which is bringing the once great Country to ruin on many various levels.

Isn't it funny how, in any abortion discussion, there eventually comes the "too many people enjoy sex and it must stop immediately!" argument?
Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-15-2009, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Dahlonega, Georgia
32 posts, read 67,509 times
Reputation: 51
you know this is difficult for me, I was always pro-choice, untill a few years ago when I got pregnant at a young age, and my mother wanted me to get an abortion. I was in love with this boy whom Im now married to, and to be honest, I really had no idea whatsoever what I was getting into. As I was getting futher along, day by day, i grew to understand it more. My school pretty much had no sex education, and I was blind as to what an abortion was. My mom actually made me call our insurance provider to see if abortions were covered... they were! My boyfired and I saddilly, got into his suv and drove to the clinic. As we went into this clinic, I peered in, given not much room to look, it was PACKED! I looked at all these sad, desperate looking women, and I couldnt go through with it. When my name was called, I shifted my way to the door, through the crowded office. Thats when I got it, this was a baby, a life, not a "thing".
I told my mother "no.", and we were headed the long way back home from Atlanta. I never really knew what kind of precedure went on in there, until I researched it later. How horrible, how absolutely horrible. I thank Jesus to this day, that I never got farther than the doorway of that crowded clinic. I believe in rights for all women, and i believe in choice, but I do not believe in the killing of innocient babies. Unforn. later that month, my unborn child did leave me, in the form of a miscarriage. It was the worst, most saddening experience of my life. I would never, ever go through that voluntarily. So I must say, I am PRO-LIFE, by all its means. The feeling is even stronger now, after the joy of giving birth to my little one, Ethan, who is now 11 months old. Looking at his beautiful face, I cant understand why anyone wouldnt want this, love at first sight.
Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-15-2009, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Miami
537 posts, read 255,797 times
Reputation: 170
Quote:
Originally Posted by cooscoosmama View Post
you know this is difficult for me, I was always pro-choice, untill a few years ago when I got pregnant at a young age, and my mother wanted me to get an abortion. I was in love with this boy whom Im now married to, and to be honest, I really had no idea whatsoever what I was getting into. As I was getting futher along, day by day, i grew to understand it more. My school pretty much had no sex education, and I was blind as to what an abortion was. My mom actually made me call our insurance provider to see if abortions were covered... they were! My boyfired and I saddilly, got into his suv and drove to the clinic. As we went into this clinic, I peered in, given not much room to look, it was PACKED! I looked at all these sad, desperate looking women, and I couldnt go through with it. When my name was called, I shifted my way to the door, through the crowded office. Thats when I got it, this was a baby, a life, not a "thing".
I told my mother "no.", and we were headed the long way back home from Atlanta. I never really knew what kind of precedure went on in there, until I researched it later. How horrible, how absolutely horrible. I thank Jesus to this day, that I never got farther than the doorway of that crowded clinic. I believe in rights for all women, and i believe in choice, but I do not believe in the killing of innocient babies. Unforn. later that month, my unborn child did leave me, in the form of a miscarriage. It was the worst, most saddening experience of my life. I would never, ever go through that voluntarily. So I must say, I am PRO-LIFE, by all its means. The feeling is even stronger now, after the joy of giving birth to my little one, Ethan, who is now 11 months old. Looking at his beautiful face, I cant understand why anyone wouldnt want this, love at first sight.
It was YOUR choice! No one (the government/family member) had the right to interfere.
Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-15-2009, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Eastern time zone
4,469 posts, read 6,161,613 times
Reputation: 3481
Quote:
Originally Posted by cooscoosmama View Post
The feeling is even stronger now, after the joy of giving birth to my little one, Ethan, who is now 11 months old. Looking at his beautiful face, I cant understand why anyone wouldnt want this, love at first sight.

And it is because I am a parent that I am prochoice-- because I understand the immense responsibility that comes with a child, and don't believe that should be thrust on unwilling, unprepared women.
Or children. Would those of you who are prochoice really support the idea of a nine-year-old who's been raped by her step-father being forced to carry twins?
Rhetorical question.
Of course you would.
Because a woman's life only matters to you until she's born.
Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-15-2009, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Texas
14,969 posts, read 13,766,418 times
Reputation: 4539
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aconite View Post
And it is because I am a parent that I am prochoice-- because I understand the immense responsibility that comes with a child, and don't believe that should be thrust on unwilling, unprepared women.
If you are not prepared for a child, you do not have unprotected sex. If you are REALLY not prepared for a child, you don't have sex as all. Abortions are not necessary to avoid having the responsibility of parenthood thrust upon anyone.
Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


 
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:
Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Great Debates
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top